Do women use certain terms to 'shame' certain types of men?

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Just wondering about female perspectives on this. I increasingly hear women calling guys 'creepy' as a shaming tactic..generally I think that the women doing so do it only if they don't find the man attractive. Where as they will pander to a guy who is physically attractive to thrm they will hate on a guy who acts the exact same way who physically is not attractive to them. I have seen women do it in front of groups of friends in a sort of 'lets put this guy in his place' way. Thoughts? And what do you think of women who do this?

Also, i suppose on similar lines...are women more shallow than men with regards to physical attraction?

of course in these men's minds the mere fact that I am a woman means I have encouraged them & should be grateful for the attention & suitably flattering to them. What I actually think is irrelevant.

Man who approaches me when I don't want him to = creepy. Simple as that.

So the OP and some posters have experienced it. I've experienced men humiliating women for not being attractive. It happens both ways. Like I said, I'm not a typically hot woman, I have had loads of men yell abuse at me in the street / clubs/ bars / school / work , purely because I'm not pleasing to their eye and they find it fun to humiliate me about this. I don't hate men as a resukt, or expect other men to explain it or amswer for the actions of some twats.

Even if there are some women who make fun of men who they find unattractive, I don't understand why that's for feminists/ all other women to explain and apologise for.

Gone In my own experience, even women who reject men in a way that is fair and kind will often be subjected to a barrage of abuse.

And no, I have never seen a man described as creepy simply because he wasn't good looking: there is always something additional in his behaviour to warrant this.

I know exactly what you talking about, and you are absolutely right about what happens, and it's very nasty and wrong to treat anyone like that. I've seen it a million times. I'm not afraid of men in any setting, and yes I have been threatened, groped, assaulted (physically) by men. Those men however are in the minority, so therefore I refuse to tar all men with the same brush. And frankly any woman who says she's never seen this happen is a liar.

Ugh. Had hoped this thread would be gone by now.
It's very clearly goady fuckery by a whingey little bastard who knew the feminism board was already wound up by the ched Evans verdict yesterday. Don't even waste your energy explaining. He's not actually interested in understanding.

I have seen what you talk about OP. If someone has approached me that I'm not interested in, I just say no thanks or if they persist then turn away. I don't feel that there's two polar opposite responses: yes I'm interested or no I'm not so by default that makes you a creep. Of course behaviour can be creepy if it's over familiar or over bearing or person won't take no for an answer. Do women only talk to men they are attracted to? If an approach that is unwanted automatically makes that person a creep then it suggests that only women can choose to initiate contact. I don't consider unwanted attention auto
Makes it creepy attention any more than someone female would like to be rejected with the put down of "dog" or "munter" or a shudder.

I bet his opening line in bars is "maybe you ladies can explain something to me, why do you always go for the assholes?"

And I bet there are women who fucking answer him.

I mean this thread is exactly what he does in bars. Invades a female space, throws insults at women and whinges about why no-one will give him the sex. When he'll told why he argues that's not why and throws more insults then whinges when he is told he isn't welcome. Refuses to go like that the turd that won't flush and women are still taking the time to explain to him why he isn't liked.

But anyone showing interest and it's not wanted can feel as though our space is being invaded

I can not pinpoint why some men make me feel uncomfortable at times they can seem perfectly pleasant, looks are irrelevant but there is something that is making me feel uncomfortable and I am not going to ignore that to spare a man's ego (though o certianly dos when I was young as I didn't know how to handle the situation) sometimes that's from confident men other times not so confident men, young men or older men, good looking not so handsome it's nothing to do with any of the above

I think that viewing women as waiting around to be hit on and viewing women sexually might be part of the problem

Regardless it's not for me to worry about how men may feel when rejected from unwanted attention

And op the guy on tinder he is dirty texting on a sight that most are on to meet for casual sex some will like that others will not and completely different to being approached by a man when out and not expecting or wanting to be approached and the man has decided for you that you are because he wants to approach you

Do women only talk to men they are attracted to?

In a social situation? Yes! (attracted to = find something attractive in them e.g. they are intelligent, witty, amusing, interesting etc) I generally don't spend non-work time talking to people I find unpleasant. Why would I?

Also, if I'm out with a group of friends then I'm out to spend time with them. Not spend the evening batting away men trying their luck. Why's that hard to understand?

The reason men commit suicide more frequently than women is to do with the method.

Overwhelmingly, women tend to overdose or cut themselves as a method of suicide, and often survive and receive treatment.

Men tend to jump off buildings, hang themselves, shoot themselves, drive into walls etc. They don't tend to survive suicide attempts.

It's nothing to do with men having it harder.

Yea JenLinley, but you have a swear word in your name, so what do you know.

I find it entertaining sometimes watching someone's wild extrapolations (eg "men kill themselves because women don't fuck them") being dismantled eloquently by people who know much better. We can walk away as soon as it's not entertaining anymore,

I think that viewing women as waiting around to be hit on and viewing women sexually might be part of the problem

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Exactly ... it's so fucking tedious.

Dont know if anyone has posted it but there was an equivalent to the tinder thing on cracked, a woman set up a profile of the worst person ever, with a hot picture, replied.in the most offensive way she could to every message. She got zero negative responses from men.

Thinking about this word creepy, my DD has a very, very handsome, charming male friend that she has started describing as creepy. He has always held a torch for her and they have been "will they/won't they" for years. I have always thought they would make a great couple.

She has decided he is creepy because basically he pesters her and puts his hands on her when she doesn't want him to (she is seeing someone else). Nothing to do with his looks or his chat. It is that sense of entitlement that makes a guy creepy.

So what we know is:

men kill themselves because women won't fuck them.

Men kill women because women won't fuck them

Men kill children when their mothers won't fuck them

But women are the problem? Sure.

Yes that sense of male entitlement that makes a man creepy

And it showed in the op post's over and over again

OP "I suppose many women may not understand just how much courage it may have taken for that guy to makehis approach."

I don't care, I just want to be left in peace. Saying no nicely makes it take ages to get the guy to leave mostly.

Also, a Tinder study? An app that's for people looking for a quick shag? It will all be looks based!

"Like a turd that won't be flushed" -brilliant, Jen.

"Courage"???? It depends on your definition of courage really doesn't it? You could equally call it "lack of social awareness".

When I'm out with my friends I want to talk to them. If a man approaches us, we then have to consider the difficulty of getting him to go away, without causing him to take offence, because then we may be in physical danger from him. It's a pain in the arse and it's frightening too. I just want to be treated as a person.
I'm being charitable if I say that men may not realise the pressure and fear that women experience when men approach them and expect them to respond, but I think probably a lot of them do.

I don't think you need to be sympathetic to men, worry about their hurt feelings or give them so much as a minute's conversation. But some women do label men just because they had the nerve to say hi, it's true. And they shouldn't. I'm not interested is all that's needed. You don't have to follow it with ' anyone who shows unwanted availability is a creep and expecting far too much if they think I will turn them down without attaching a label while I'm doing it '. That's all the op is about as far as I can see. The assumptions and stereotyping has been from the female perspective.

OP: Just wondering about female perspectives on this.
Feminism board: You're wrong, we don't agree
OP: WHY WON'T YOU ADMIT I'M RIGHT AND AGREE WITH ME

Disingenuous x10000