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Ched Evans verdict

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FreshwaterSelkie · 14/10/2016 16:12

to continue the discussion as the previous thread closed.

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Gh05 · 14/10/2016 21:01

Venusinscorpio...no i'm not peddlying 'rape myths'. You seem to have zero consideration for the accused. It may not be a decisive factor in the verdict (whether a woman was out having casual sex a week later and shouting the same phrases as during the supposed crime) but it has to be a consideration. What's the point in having a case at all otherwise? Why don't we just go the whole hog...take every woman's word for it and give men zero power over their lives.

FirstShinyRobe · 14/10/2016 21:01

Tell you what, Gh05, just don't have sex. Then none of us need to be worried.

poppopp · 14/10/2016 21:02

Oh god don't engage with this thicko.

MostlyHet · 14/10/2016 21:02

You do realise, don't you, Gh05, that she didn't accuse him of anything. She didn't remember a thing. She reported a stolen handbag. The police interviewed Evans and decided on the basis of his testimony - letting himself into a hotel room with a pass key obtained by deception, asking his mate if he could "have a go" with a woman two witnesses described as drunk to the stage of insensibility, then doing a runner down the fire escape - the police decided he had incriminated himself and they had enough evidence, based on his own testimony, to get the CPS to prosecute. No accusation from her at all.

Or are you really too thick to grasp that? Or simply trolling?

merrymouse · 14/10/2016 21:02

As a single man it is pretty frightening to think that a woman after a few drinks and sex could accuse me of rape, ruin my life and this is what the reaction of people towards me would be.

Don't worry, there are some key things in the CE case that it's pretty easy to avoid - you can actually meet the woman and get to know her before sex, for instance.

ChocChocPorridge · 14/10/2016 21:02

Women are people - I've had regrettable sex for Christs sake, but, I know that it wasn't rape. It was rape when my boyfriend at the time continued to force his penis in despite my hands on his chest pushing him away, and me saying 'NO, NO, STOP'. BTW - I stayed with that boyfriend for another 3 months, and never reported it because, well, rape victims all behave differently, and we know that given my word against his, his will be believed

I think that if you're so worried about women deciding to put themselves through a court case after having sex with you, that you should probably entirely refrain from sex, because, even my most regrettable, bad sex has never left me wanting to go through a rape kit/police/court case, so you must be truly awful.

Really not poor logic. Non-rapists manage it every time they have sex.

Again. How many women do you think maliciously accuse men of raping them after consensual sex, vs. how many men rape women but assume they'll get away with it? How many 'vindictive nutter' women are there, vs men who try it on with drunken women?

venusinscorpio · 14/10/2016 21:02

You're right. I have zero consideration for Ched.

FayKorgasm · 14/10/2016 21:03

Rape is not about sex. It's about power.

Gh05 · 14/10/2016 21:04

CharlieSierra...on the other thread quite a few posters have clearly and explicitly stated they dont care about the verdict and proceeded to call him a rapist. That is wrong. Do you not agree?

Those people may want to ask for their posts to be deleted as anytjing said on a forum is public and the offender is liable to be sued.

ChocChocPorridge · 14/10/2016 21:04

Why don't we just go the whole hog...take every woman's word for it and give men zero power over their lives

OK, now you're being illogical.

Men have complete power here. Just don't have sex. Men have total power to not every be accused of being a rapist, by just never having sex.

There. Done.

venusinscorpio · 14/10/2016 21:04

What's a decent interval before a woman can have sex again after being raped, gh? Do tell, you clearly have all the answers.

Gh05 · 14/10/2016 21:05

Venusinscorpio...you're moving away from intelligent discussion again. If you are someone who has no consideration for the rape accused, either in this case or in general then your views are irrelevant as you clearly are not willing to be balanced.

merrymouse · 14/10/2016 21:05

It may not be a decisive factor in the verdict (whether a woman was out having casual sex a week later and shouting the same phrases as during the supposed crime) but it has to be a consideration.*

Er no, it doesn't have to be a consideration. The fact that she would be happy to have sex with somebody else (casual or otherwise) has no bearing on whether she would have sex with you.

Reluctant2ndtimer · 14/10/2016 21:07

Urgh, I'm gutted at this shameful verdict. Also I've just had a message on Facebook from someone I unfriended over this when it first came out, gloating with a newspaper link to his 'innocence'. Angry there'll be rapists and rape apologists probably the world over celebrating this travesty of justice.

MostlyHet · 14/10/2016 21:08

I see our new resident troll is totally avoiding the fact - not speculation, fact - that it was not the woman who brought the accusation. It was the police. On the basis of Evans' own testimony.

Gh05 · 14/10/2016 21:09

Chocchocporridge what are you on about? A man has power because he xan choose not to have sex? You don't seem to be able to understand. We are talking about the ability of a woman to falsely accuse after a sexual act has taken place. Are you going to suggest that this doesn't happen?

It's a good thing that your logic would be laughed at in court.

CharlieSierra · 14/10/2016 21:10

It is clearly not 'entirely in the hands of the bloke' if a woman later decides she regrets sex and accuses a man of rape OR is just a bit of a vindictive nutter and falsely accuses a man of rape

This is profoundly stupid. Have you paid any attention at all to what this woman has gone through? Do you seriously think that 'vindictive nutters' falsely accuse men of rape and get them convicted.

Do some research. Educate yourself and stop perpetuating rape myths.

venusinscorpio · 14/10/2016 21:10

I won't tell you what I did in the months after my rape, gh. I'm sure you'd disapprove of my unseemly behaviour. Like many rape victims (yes, it is a thing) I went into a bit of a downward spiral. It was quite a dark time in my life. Because I didn't believe in my own bodily autonomy. That's what rape does to some people. I didn't value myself enough or respect myself enough to think I should say no.

Gh05 · 14/10/2016 21:11

Mostlyhet... Calling someone a troll when they are actively engaging in a debate is weak. It's not my fault if people on here are so biased that their logic is way off.

Also, the woman would have had to press charges I presume. Regardless of when that occured.

merrymouse · 14/10/2016 21:12

we are talking about the ability of a woman to falsely accuse after a sexual act has taken place. Are you going to suggest that this doesn't happen?

No, we are talking about the police putting a case before the CPS based on evidence they had gathered, mainly from the defendant and witnesses.

MostlyHet · 14/10/2016 21:12

You really are a numpty, aren't you? No, the woman does not have to press charges. That is done by the CPS. You clearly know absolutely nothing about English legal process.

merrymouse · 14/10/2016 21:13

Also, the woman would have had to press charges I presume.

Not in a criminal case. That isn't how the system works.

Gh05 · 14/10/2016 21:14

Venusinscorpio..well that is sad and i am sorry you went through that however I still believe the accused deserves the chance to a fair trial where all evidence is heard. Rape cases are extremely complex and difficult for the very reason that is often him versus her. Get it wrong either way and a life can be ruined.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 14/10/2016 21:14

Gh05 clearly knows very little about this case from what s/he's just posted. Yet wants an intelligent debate apparently Confused

Gh05 · 14/10/2016 21:15

What I mean is at some point the woman would have to say 'yes i was raped' in order for the CPS to take her case forward. "Agree to press charges" then if you want to be pedantic.