Only trans women have vaginas, women have 'front holes'

[Triskaidekaphobic]

That's according to this Guide to safer sex for trans people

VAGINA: We use this word to talk about the genitals of trans women who have had bottom surgery.”


FRONT HOLE: We use this word to talk about internal genitals, sometimes referred to as a vagina. A front hole may self-lubricate, depending on age and hormones.

FFS when is this madness going to end. Trans activists are attempting to appropriate or erase everything about being female.

I will never call my vagina a front hole, it's not a hole and tbh I find it grossly offensive to women to refer to it as such.

[Ilovemygsd]

Mehhh! These threads really piss me off. 1 minute trans ppl want to be equal and all that bla bla, next they want to rename body parts "just for them" it's stupid. You are what you are. If you have a operation to change your sex. Then you have the opposite genitals, not some hybrid new invention. Rant over

[VestalVirgin]

And as a woman with PCOS who has seen how my medical condition gets appropriated by transactivists wanting to use it to foster the idea that there are more intersex people than there in fact are, I'd say her reading of what they do isn't too far wrong.

Are they seriously claiming that women with PCOS are intersex? What? This is insane.

indeed, sadly people assume I am trans, as people don't understand real intersex conditions and issues. So many different conditions, and unlike tans, intersex is NOT a choice.

People don't seem to know the difference.

Recently, I read a leaflet by an anti-democratic, anti-women party (German AfD, you may have heard of it) grouping homosexuals, transsexuals and people with intersex conditions (they might have written "intersexual") as one category that they accused schools of promoting as lifestyle, or something.
So apparently, the uneducated masses now think that having an intersex condition is a choice, and/or a sexual orientation. Oo

[VestalVirgin]

If you have a operation to change your sex. Then you have the opposite genitals, not some hybrid new invention.

Uh, actually, you DO have some hybrid new invention. No surgeon can create an actual vagina from a penis. Same for the other way round.

BUT what this guide does is invent new words for normal, natural genitals ("front hole", and "strapless") and stealing the existing words for normal genitals ("vagina", "dick") to describe surgically constructed holes and hormonally enlarged clitorises.

It would be more accurate to call the surgically created hole a "front hole" and the enlargened clitoris an, uh, I don't know, what about "member", and keep the words for natural genitals the same as they always were.

[Bitofacow]

This thread is too complicated I'm off to find out how often I should clean my toilet. Does that mean I'm a girtl????

[RufusTheSpartacusReindeer]

bit

I have never cleaned a toilet, thats dh's job

So i would say no it doesn't make you a girl



Although im not sure im a girl either

[mathanxiety]

Slinky, yes indeed. That bonkers situation could happen and most likely will.

I went to the women's room in a Target recently and tbh I felt a bit of trepidation going in, the first time I ever felt like that while heading into a bathroom while out shopping.

I do not know what they are going to do in my local library about the bathrooms. There is a family bathroom as well as separate male and female bathrooms, and in each one there is also a large cubicle sized to accommodate wheelchairs. There is quite a large homeless population locally that uses the library as a cooling centre in summer and a warm place in winter. It's a big library with lounges, lots of seating, and the homeless are welcome.

Many homeless women use the women's bathrooms for washing themselves. If you visit first thing in the morning you are quite likely to find someone with her toiletries arranged on the shelf above the washbasins, and her towel ready, washing face and pits and sometimes hair. I wonder how they will fare if men are allowed to use the women's room. When you see someone using a public bathroom to wash in, trying to be discreet, you realise how terribly vulnerable they are. And these women are of course completely voiceless.

I do not share the concerns over the involvement of Christian groups in the issue. I think women need all the friends we can get here, because the 'progressive left' has clearly abandoned us. Where groups line up on this has shown me personally a lot about who women's friends really are.

[Bitofacow]

Well there's the problem some people get the dh to clean it evey week. Who knew??????

[EttaJ]

Oh do FOD motherfucker

I am sick of this shit. It's not SOMETIMES called a vagina , it IS a fucking vagina. There is no female penis. Men cannot breastfeed . Only women menstruate. There is NO cis. A man is a man and a woman is a woman. You cannot change biology, you can have bits added and you can have bits cut off but you cannot change your sex.

[RufusTheSpartacusReindeer]

bit

Aah there you see

You answered your own question

Clean the toilet once a week....no need to find that information out now

[SmashingTurnips]

Excellent unpacking of that ghastly so called safe sex guide here:

purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/safer-sex-guide-for-trans-people-is-unprofessional-and-unsafe/#comment-6453

Medical/psychological professionals should use correct clinical words at all times. One of the marks of professionalism is using the correct terminology for your field. These words like “front hole” and “strapless” are fucked up things that people say about their genitals when they are dissociating from their bodies and trying to imagine themselves as someone else. They are also words that only make sense in the context of the porn-soaked sex-pozzie movement. It is completely wrong for medical/psychological professionals to take people’s coping mechanisms and creepy reinterpretations of their genitals and turn them into terminology in a health guide.

This is the entire issue with transgenderism, of course. Gender dysphoria is the only condition where a medical professional will affirm someone’s coping mechanisms as an “identity” instead of treating their underlying issues. Once upon a time, I went to counselling because I believed I was stupid and worthless. They didn’t affirm my identity as a stupid person and try to get me legally labelled as having an intellectual disability, they recognized that I had low self-esteem and helped me with that, like professionals do, and I am now a healthy and happy person.

Now what mental health professionals are doing is just taking the words of people with mental health issues at face value when they reinterpret reality, and inscribing that faulty interpretation into law, medicine, education, and health care. It’s fucking scary.

[OlennasWimple]

I'm coming to the conclusion that if someone is so fragile about their self-identity that hearing people use the correct terminology for genitalia (especially when in the abstract, not about their own particular genitals) is triggering, they are in need of significant therapeutic intervention, not people trying to validate their incorrect views.

[Prawnofthepatriarchy]

Me too, Olenna. It's no wonder so many articles promoting the trans agenda bang on and on about how hard a time the author has getting laid. It's always put down to transphobia but I think it's much simpler than that.

People are sexually attracted on the basis of sex, and sex is so much more than gender. It's what the cotton ceiling is about: men getting pointlessly, stupidly, angry that lesbians don't find them attractive.

Thing is, people aren't attracted by people who hate their bodies or who deliberately mutilate their genitals. You don't have to have a perfect body to be sexually attractive, but you do need to feel at least somewhat at ease in it.

[FreshwaterSelkie]

I really enjoyed purple sage fem's analysis, too , smashing. I forwarded it to tmy terfiest friends. I love her blog. she really nails it, and draws out how worrisome it is about bdsm and prostitution with such a vulnerable population. I don't think it's at all constructive to tell people who are so psychologically vulnerable that they even can't acknowledge or comprehend the correct word for their genitals without getting upset that they should consider playing with knives for their sexual gratification instead. how could that be ethical?

[venusinscorpio]

Great article Smashing. This stuff is not harmless.

And I fully agree with you about the elephant in the room.

[RJnomore1]

Smashing I think you have just nailed exactly what I was trying porky to express earlier.

I keep thinking of those people with body dis morphia who believe they need a limb amputated. Surely it's closest to that? Then I think I am over simplifying things and my head starts to hurt.

[RJnomore1]

Poorly. Not porky.

[SomeDyke]

I find it understandable why many trans folk might prefer to use different names for various body parts. Some lesbians might also say 'suck my dick' in the throes of passion and mean either their clitoris or a strap-on. The difference is the lesbian knows that it isn't actually a penis, whereas some trans folk want the rest of us to permanently collude in their fantasy.

Words can mean whatever you want them to mean in private, but in the public sphere, you don't get to dictate to the rest of us. And again, isn't that public/private invasion typically male?

And of course, the choice of names is very misogynistic. Might as well call a surgically-constructed simulacrum a second arsehole, it's as functional at that as it is at anything else.

No surprise that if you are desperately dysphoric about being female, that you would want to forget about your uterus and ovaries and all that stuff, and just think of it as a hole (that can be filled in?), a bonus-hole or man-cave if you're into trying to get off with gay men. The names there are misogynistic because that is the nature of the whole thing.............And goes along with that that breasts are just useless, removable lumps of flesh, rather than functional organs.

[OlennasWimple]

Yy, SomeDyke. The whole language aspect is fascinating and so telling to me:

• you don't like being called a "man in a dress" so I don't call you that
  
• I don't like being called "cis gender" but I have to suck it up
  
• you don't like having your genitalia called a "mangina" so I don't call it that
  
• I don't like having my genitalia called a "front hole" but I have to suck it up
  

Spot a pattern?

The #ifmenhadperiods thing was the first time, I realised, that I had seen transmen being vocal in a prominent way to say "hey, what about me?". Perhaps there will be more of that to follow