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General Trans thread part 2

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ChiefClerkDrumknott · 07/01/2016 08:29

Following on from this one General Trans thread
Because I'm not Elsa and can't let it go Wink

Even a quick read of this thread suggest there is a lot of anger. ..
Some examples...

You don't need examples. I told you that we are angry

This "debate" between radical feminism and the trans community is being seen by mainstream as a particularly nasty fight with some issues, risks and fears (on both sides) being deliberately exaggerated.

And who do you think started the fight? I think you'll find some rad fem fears stem from being threatened with death and rape when they bring up objections to some of these 'issues' you glibly dismiss. Do you not think that's an understandable reaction? By the way, have you popped over to Twitter or Tumblr yet to plead with 'TERF' killers to be less aggressive?

As mentioned earlier, I may be completely wrong. Perhaps the best solution is to get even angrier, even more offensive and aggressive...

You know what, as I said we are angry and we are 'aggressive', if you term defending women's rights vocally and loudly and consistently aggressive Hmm

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slugseatlettuce · 15/01/2016 11:08

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HairyLittleCarrot · 15/01/2016 11:27

I can't bring myself to read it yet.
I'm getting too frustrated.

GreenTomatoJam · 15/01/2016 13:04

^Trans people are the only group that can have their civil rights delayed by
another [...]^

Well that's demonstrably incorrect - a pregnant woman has her right to body integrity removed after 24 weeks, and numerous restrictions are placed upon her as the birth approaches.

There are procedures it seems anyway - temporary GRC certs, applying for annulment/divorcing in advance etc.

slugseatlettuce · 15/01/2016 13:48

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venusinscorpio · 15/01/2016 15:09

I know what you mean, slugs. And the attitude of the media and government is this worst thing. They literally don't give a fuck about women's rights to the point that they don't even ask any women what they feel. Last night's C4 news was a very welcome exception.

venusinscorpio · 15/01/2016 15:13

It appears as though some of the trans people really think their spouse should be legally obligated to accept transition.

I bet they do. That's why I see a good many of them as malignant narcissists, or other similar antisocial personality disorder. I really do think it's a mental health issue in most cases. That the government should blithely go along with it while merrily throwing away protections for women enrages me.

IamTheWhoreofBabylon · 15/01/2016 16:19

I listened to JM and thought the lunatics are taking over the asylum
The horror she expressed that someone could decide if she was a man or a woman. Clearly nothing is more painful Hmm
How much more naval gazing can we take
Seems there are a group of outspoken, screwed up individuals who need a cause

Vaginaaa · 15/01/2016 16:19

I agree. I strongly believe most trans people have some sort of mental health issue that has led to them feeling lost or lonely among other things or they have had a life of being the odd one out. They then get presented this idea that all their problems will be solved if they do the bit of surgery and take those hormones. Then they are surprised when it doesn't magically change or fix their life.

I've had mh issues in the past and can see how vulnerable I would have been then to any sort of brainwashing via YouTube or the Internet if I'd had access to the kind of videos people today do. If someone had told me that maybe I was meant to be a man and changing my body might make me feel like I belong I could easily have been sucked in. Instant friends, a community and a magic solution to all life's problems. It's so dangerous.

venusinscorpio · 15/01/2016 16:41

A lot of trans blogs that you read, they come across as having no empathy whatsoever for anyone who isn't trans. Particularly women. It often appears to me as a totally self-centred worldview, but they seem to be able to empathise with other trans people only.

As others have pointed out, it has many of the same elements as a cult.

Most people don't navel gaze quite so much about their identity as they have more of a sense of perspective. I accept that mental health issues can affect that. I find it worrying that you cannot suggest that there is a possibility that may be the case. Presumably, nor will doctors, if they could be sued for transphobia.

IamTheWhoreofBabylon · 15/01/2016 16:49

I had to stop lurking on trans chat sites they disturbed me so much
There was a real hatred of women

tsonlyme · 15/01/2016 19:27

I have to retract what I said about the Mx option when registering at a GP surgery as I had another MtF patient wanting to change their records today and thought I'd temporarily give them the Mx title, to see what sex it would record them as, as much as anything else because I've never used it before, but it had vanished! I know I saw it there and now it's gone. No idea what's going on there, I can only guess that it's an option that the IT people were trying out.

fastingmum123 · 15/01/2016 21:05

I don't see that aunt very much lukily! It's scary how much society seems to be pushing this trans thing and like others have said I have a feeling it may be a mental health thing in alot of cases. I have suffered with mh and always been an outcast and can see how especially when I was younger if someone had said you can become a man and then everything will be fine I may have gone along with it. Seeing as I do tend to fit into the male label more than the female on alot of things and back then I didn't have 3dc.

I have noticed the extreme hatred towards women from the trans community too. From a trans politician who wants all abortion and the morning after pill to be banned as it's disgusting that women should have a choice to people complaining about tampon ads not including that trans women can use them too.

HemlockSolanum · 15/01/2016 21:16

It appears as though some of the trans people really think their spouse should be legally obligated to accept transition.

Yep, and if they then wanted to leave the relationship they'd be labelled abusive transphobes. Because women are not allowed to define their own boundaries.

Imustgodowntotheseaagain · 16/01/2016 20:01

The report quotes trans activists as arguing that women in a rape crisis centre or refuge who have concerns at sharing with a trans person need to be re-educated. That's digraceful.

I also found it interesting that gender-reassignment surgery is referred in the report as 'sterilisation.' That raises the spectre of Nazis and eugenics and I'm sure has been chosen as a deliberately loaded term.

HemlockSolanum · 17/01/2016 08:10

The report quotes trans activists as arguing that women in a rape crisis centre or refuge who have concerns at sharing with a trans person need to be re-educated.

"Yes, yes, we know you've been through a lot of trauma and are in desperate need of support and love, but before we let you have any of that we must insist that you instead stop your completely rational fear of those with a penis, because your refusal to acknowledge penis is female is far more harmful than what you've been through"

ShortcutButton · 17/01/2016 09:08

I accessed rape crisis 20 years after the event, because my life was imploding. My mental health was screwed and I felt very much on the edge of sanity. If I had been expected to share that space with a man/TW or been given a male/TW counsellor, if anyone had triued to 'educate' me about transgenderism, I would have just left. I didn't have the capacity to care about any of that at that time, in that place. I would have left and I don't know what would havew happened

I can't imagine what it would be like for people seeking help when their rape was fresh

WilLiAmHerschel · 17/01/2016 09:18

Shortcut Flowers.

I hope you're as recovered as you can be now.

TheWatchersCouncil · 17/01/2016 14:24

Via Miranda Yardley

www.academia.edu/20308842/The_Epistemology_of_Propaganda

There's a thread in Chat about including Trans rights in LGB rights.

glenthebattleostrich · 17/01/2016 15:01

Is this something worth getting behind? It was posted by another poster on the prison thread.

www.transgendertrend.com/uk-government-report-on-transgender-equality/

I'll be using the template as a basis of a letter to my MP.

EmpressOfTheVulvaCupcakes · 17/01/2016 15:49

Thanks for posting that, Glen. I'll write one too.

Imustgodowntotheseaagain · 17/01/2016 19:51

Thanks for posting that. The inquiry seems to have mainly taken evidence from the trans lobby, and no voices from anyone with concerns. It's a real contrast to other inquiries I've been involved with, where critical voices are also heard. Imagine an inquiry into road safety where the only views considered were, for the sake of argument, motorcyclists. You'd get a list of recommendations that bikers thought were brilliant but which might be impractical or negatively impact on others using road space.

onahorsewithnoname · 17/01/2016 20:27

It was not therefore an inquiry, it was something entirely different.
Unless of course it was just an enquiry into the veiws of men and MTT.

sheoneill · 18/01/2016 09:39

Found an article which I found interesting. It's from a man who is very honest on why he crossdressed and the reasons behind it.

Warning: does explain seedy/sexual situations, etc.

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-bipolar-coaster/201012/cross-dressing-sex-and-bipolar-disorder

The more I read the more I am convinced transgenderism is a manifestion of Bi-Polar, depression and possibly autisim.

ArcheryAnnie · 18/01/2016 10:04

As well as the class "women" being abolished, I am increasingly seeing that "homosexual" doesn't exist, either, and anyone who claims it does is "obsessed by genitals". I've seen the sentiment expressed in a roundabout way often enough before, but not outright saying that being gay isn't a real thing.

Of course in practice, as we've all seen before, this is only ever applied to lesbians. Gay men, feel free to carry on before!

Vaginaaa · 18/01/2016 10:15

Yes, I've seen that happening on some online communities. Women get banned from some of them for discussing the fact they do not want to be with someone with a penis who calls themselves a woman. One of them says it is transphobic to not date a woman because they have a penis. It's apparently okay not to date them because you aren't attracted to them though. Just not if you aren't attracted to them because of their penis. It's ridiculous.