General Trans thread part 2

[ChiefClerkDrumknott]

Following on from this one General Trans thread
Because I'm not Elsa and can't let it go

Even a quick read of this thread suggest there is a lot of anger. ..
Some examples...

You don't need examples. I told you that we are angry

This "debate" between radical feminism and the trans community is being seen by mainstream as a particularly nasty fight with some issues, risks and fears (on both sides) being deliberately exaggerated.

And who do you think started the fight? I think you'll find some rad fem fears stem from being threatened with death and rape when they bring up objections to some of these 'issues' you glibly dismiss. Do you not think that's an understandable reaction? By the way, have you popped over to Twitter or Tumblr yet to plead with 'TERF' killers to be less aggressive?

As mentioned earlier, I may be completely wrong. Perhaps the best solution is to get even angrier, even more offensive and aggressive...

You know what, as I said we are angry and we are 'aggressive', if you term defending women's rights vocally and loudly and consistently aggressive

did anyone produce a template letter to email to MP?

sheoneill - I find the mental health issue is something that is frequently brushed under the carpet. Susie Green quoted the suicide rate of trans people and said her child had tried to commit suicide several times because of experiencing transphobia. But didn't say anything about their mental health now they've transitioned.

The transwomen I know have dreadful mental health issues which seem to have worsened post-transition rather than improved.

Every trans person I have come across has either existing mental health difficulties, a history of trauma and abuse, or both.
It's chicken and egg. People will say that being trans causes mh issues but I question that strongly - mh issues cause dysphoria. But then I don't believe that being 'genuinely trans' is a thing. People can have sex dysphoria or gender dysphoria, they can feel trans, but there is no empirical test that is or could be carried out for transgenderism as it's entirely subjective.

It's up to the patient to ensure that they get the correct health checks like smears, breast exams and prostate tests as and when.

I wonder if in the future trans patients or their families will sue the NHS for not inviting them for smears/prostate exams and other things relevant to their biological sex and the patient getting the illness detected too late. Or if there will be outbreaks of people dying more from preventable cancers that aren't detected.

I read another link I got from Twitter today, again talking about how trans children may want to wear clothes and play with toys for the "wrong gender". Seriously how is this happening? Have people forgotten that girl babies aren't born wearing tutus and playing with dolls? My 18 month old dd loves cars and trains and climbing things. I'm genuinely worried that one day someone is going to tell me that she is a boy because of this. It feels things are heading that way.

Can we have a list of which clothes and toys are for which "gender" please? And where do the non binary ones fit in?

william at my workplace discussions are starting regarding patient responsibility rather than being spoon fed. As an admin/GP secretary a lot of my time can be taken up with chasing patients and/or their appointments/test results, it's very time consuming and not the best use of my time in a financially stretched service. We would like a move towards patients doing their own chasing and taking responsibility for themselves when it comes to regular checks. This is now, of course, who knows where that will head in the future? NHS guidelines change faster than you can shake a shitty stick, it's hard to keep up when working within it let alone expecting the general public to get to grips with it . If transpeople change their registered gender there is currently no way of keeping track of them for sex specific health checks other than having a nice person in the office who keeps an eye on who those people are and manually organising invites etc. I have no idea how that will work with the new Mx gender choice because obviously that one applies to both male and female, you can't go inviting them all for prostate or breast checks, we all know that won't go down well when it comes to validating their chosen gender .

Something has been bothering me. Having read an awful lot on the subject in recent months, taking it in and swilling it around my head I simply cannot understand why women's organisations are still backing the idea that TW should be given space in women's safe spaces, people like WEP and previously quite hard line feminist writers & journalists. Are they entirely aware of the deeper discussion going on or are they being wilfully ignorant? Are they afraid of the backlash from transactivists such as Germaine Greer was subject to?

Yes, they're cowardly. They'd rather bury their heads in the sand than actually stand up for women's rights.

An article about identical twin boys with one who had become trans said the trans twin had 'reached for the pink blanket' as a baby as evidence. Fucking numnuts.

If anyone is interested in attending the conference in June mentioned a couple of pages back, please PM me?

I was looking up guidance on cervical screening for an article. This is the NHS guidance for FTT

2.6. Female to Male Gender Reassignments When WYCSA are notified that a woman has undergone gender reassignment, steps are taken to amend the registration details on the Exeter system. It is not necessarily the case that these individuals have undergone full gender reassignment surgery and may therefore still have a cervix. Once the Exeter system has been updated to show the sex as male and the title as Mr, it will not be possible for WYCSA to generate cervical screening letters to the patient. Prior to recording the necessary changes to the system, registration/ screening staff should print a copy of the woman’s screening record. This should then be sent to the GP practice explaining that the person will no longer be invited to attend for screening by the screening programme and that the GP practice should arrange any further tests if appropriate.

MTT using female prefixes will have to be coded to state they have no cervix and uterus. Otherwise they will get called for screening which will be no doubt be very triggering and OMG violent.

Ludicrous that the NHS has to turn itself inside out to not misGENDER whilst making sure the person receives healthcare appropriate for BIOLOGICAL SEX

And I wonder if the whole software will be replaced to have a function to allow this to happen

I'd be embarrased , frankly, at wasting resources on such ridiculousness

Someone needs to tell them, no

I do wonder how anyone with children can believe this stuff. I have 2 boys, as different from each other as night and day, and their cousins the same. If you listed out their likes and hobbies there's no way you could tell which were boys and which were girls.

Then I remember my mum, who isn't exactly very gender conforming herself, makes more comments about 'typical boys' or the girls being more like boys than anyone else in our extended family. The socialisation is so strong.

What do you all think will happen in the future? Will this go away? Or will we stop announcing a babies sex at birth and wait to see whether they pick the pink or blue blanket?

Has anyone read this yet?

transinquiry.co.uk/report

I've only just got past the press release. It is making me furious.

I'm weary of it all now. I want to pull the duvet over my head.
Wake me up when I've been gendered.
Good luck with the rest of the fight, Sister Suffragettes.

I read the summary in the media. A total cave-in on the prison issue.

Or will we stop announcing a babies sex at birth and wait to see whether they pick the pink or blue blanket?

It's not beyond the realms of possibility, is it?

I'm genuinely frightened that the word "woman" and concept of what being a woman actually is, is going to be eradicated.

I fear for my baby, given that it becoming normalised to allow a toddler of 3 to definite their "gender" and live as such when we don't even allow a child that age to choose what they eat on a daily basis.

Stating that men have penises and women have vaginas is becoming a taboo opinion.

I gave up at terminology where it states sex is assigned at birth and most people's gender indentity and gender appearance matches their assigned sex.

Aaargh. How many more times? Sex is not assigned, it's observed. Assigned makes it sounds like midwives have an quota and randomly assign babies as boy or girl.

Think I might have to also try to attend the event above. I'm ooop North so will need to sort out travel and accommodation to come but I cannot just let this keep going unchallenged.

It's ridiculous all this labelling of people. Lately I've been starting to think that maybe I'm a man as I've never fitted in. I've never been interested in anything girly, have never worn make up or dresses and ride motorbikes. Where do I go to transition as obviously I'm in the wrong body? It's getting so stupid that my auntie who's a phycologist said she would help to get my 5yr old son reassigned when he's older as he liked pink and dancing. Needless to say I told her where to go.

I don't think I've known of any 5 year old boy who doesn't like pink and dancing!
at your auntie

How have we got to a point where boys are being told that if they're not 'manly' enough then they must be girls. What the fuck?

Fasting I'm not one to shout no contact but I wouldn't let my child around your aunt. It is a dangerous message children are being fed. And let's remember adults say and mean one thing but kids often hear something different. My dd was upset this week because the head told children in assembly that school were sending home letters about clubs for children to take part in. Dd heard you must do a club. What is the current trans propaganda doing to them?

As a childminder I see boys playing princesses and girls with building sets. Cos kids love to explore and, you know, be kids. I've posted before about my dd being obsessed with being a mermaid but I don't make her live in a bath. Or what about my nephew. He wanted to be a dog called Elizabeth, should we have glued on fur and built a kennel in the garden?

And as for playing with girls toys, I'm of the opinion that if a 'toy' requires genitals then it shouldn't be played with by children.

craftyfox - have PMed you.

I want to be a mermaid as my gender too! I might start writing it on unnecessary forms, like putting Jedi on the census return. Suggest we could all do that :)