This is what misogyny and male entitlement leads to.

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22 yo man murders 7 people as revenge for women not sleeping with him.

"Why are girls sexually attracted to obnoxious, brutish men instead of sophisticated gentlemen such as myself?"

'Neither he, nor the victims (that I know of) were targeted because of their economic position.'

It seems neither were they targeted because they were women, either.

Only 2 of his victims were women, and tbh if you want to get semantic about it neither were the 'type' of woman he was clearly so angry about. I wouldn't have called neither of the women he killed great beauties or 'hot blondes'.

He killed 3 chinese men, his room mates, that he thought of as nerds. These were not the types of men he was jealous of, they just did his head in (he outlines this in his manifesto). He was clearly very anti social but couldnt see it and saw everyone else as the problem.

He then killed some random bloke who I presume he knew nothing about. This guy didn't exactly look like some sort of Brad Pitt or the type of man who you would presume by looking at him he is really successful with women.

Apart from the attempt to get into a sorority house it seems he just killed whoever was in his way, regardless of if he'd perceived them to aggrieve him or not.

Picking up on a little bit, of one of my sentences when I wrote a lot around it that explains the context is such a rubbish debating tactic that I think I'm not going to be allowed to put forward my opinions without you jumping on me for semantics.

I'm not calling myself a victim or a trying to be a martyr. I was trying to explain that I think that the people who are benefiting from keeping the poorest poor and women from being seen as equals are the ones we should be directing the vitriol at.

And before you start on about me being white, MC and British, my family are from Somalia.

domestic abuse including financial happens right across the board. From the outside a woman may seem rich but if her partner is withholding access to money that cant be seen from the outside.

The victims of John Warboys were taking black cabs, something that likely puts them (to my mind) in a certain bracket income-wise (black cabs are expensive and in real life only business types get them not normal people no matter what eastenders says).

He sexually assaulted and raped scores of women, many of whom reported what had happened and were met with the police doing fuck all about it, in some cases telling them outright they didn't believe them.

Are we to take away from this thread that these crimes didn't happen? Or that they don't matter? Because women taking black cabs are not living in poverty, clearly.

Really really stupid posts.

Should the police, in fact, tell all women and girls with an income over a certain level, that they will automatically not process their complaints of sexual violence as that would be very rare?

I mean WTAF.

Darkeyes, which section of women is it that people constantly try to propose taking their children off them for mere financial reasons, disallowing them to have sex, sterilising them, sentencing their children to relentless poverty in the form of removing child benefits for over 2/3 kids, removing their housing from them etc.....

We even see on this very forum the suggestion poor women who have to resort to prostitution should lose their children, regardless of whether the 'job' impacts their children or not. The hatred for poor women is high, especially from other women. Whilst sharing my story of how I ended up in prostitution due to poverty one woman merely referred to me as 'a woman who fucks other women's husbands for money'- poor women are seen as a threat to society and to the livelihood of the middle class woman.

Which mothers get slated constantly in the media? Its not middle class 'perfect' mothers like Holly Willoughby for example, its poor women who have to rely on benefits to support their children.

A lot of proposed 'sexism' towards women is actually classism towards poorer women. Even on Mumsnet you constantly see other women stating how poor women shouldn't have children and should lose any means they have coming in to support their children. The attitude from society towards poor women and mothers is shocking.

Thankyou for bringing this to the forefront of my mind because its something I have noticed insidiously getting worse in the recent years (probably due to media sabotage against 'scroungers' ie- the poor)

Man shoots at 3 women who refuse sex with him and friends, police say

I think there is an issue that traditionally, misogyny was part of somebody's belief system but wasn't the core of it. If someone was going to explain the workings of the world (even if only to themselves) they might have a religious view, an economic view or whatever, and that might have an element of misogyny to it, but their core explanation wasn't that women were immoral and ruining the world.

The thing with these MRA sites is that the bad behaviour of women is the core of their belief system. They have built up an ideology that due to (alleged) hypergamy and solipsism of women, the entire way society functions, as well as the economic system, politics and culture is on the verge of some kind of collapse and that the whole of society is out to get them (as individuals) because society is pandering to the innate failings in women's characters. The only ways suggested to beat this system are to 'become alpha' by getting lots of women to sleep with you or to opt out of society all together.

Somebody with that mindset could then go out and attack (violently, verbally, lethally, politically...) any part of society on the basis that they hate women, because they view the whole of society as being in league with women.

I can't think of a historical example where hatred of women was the very core explanation of a group's belief system.

'domestic abuse including financial happens right across the board. From the outside a woman may seem rich but if her partner is withholding access to money that cant be seen from the outside.'

Yes, there was an awful post on relationships from a poor woman whose DH was on 100k yet he gave her £400 a month for her AND her DS. He was such an abusive arsehole I nearly cried for her.

Obviously abuse happens to richer women, my point was that it is more likely to happen to poorer women.

'keeping the poorest poor and women from being seen as equals are'

You are saying this as though they are co morbid, they are not. Plenty of women want to keep the poor poor aswell. Its all over Mumsnet, see my above post.

22honey I am just as angry as you about the propaganda against poorer women A search of my posting history will tell you this.

No, your point was that it is "rare" for wealthy women to be raped.

And the fact that women who are rich do get raped is "neither here nor there".

Your point is untrue, and your dismissal unpleasant.

Yes honey I know.

That's my whole point. We should be directing our vitriol at the people who are actively working to keep us this way.

You know one of the biggest ways they do that? They turn us against eachother. We end up hating foreigners, benefit cheats, muslims, other women, etc.

Oh but who don't we hate? The ones who are keeping us poor and inequal.

22honey, why don't you start a thread about women who live in poverty in the UK? It's an important issue in its own right, but I think it's hard to discuss it on this thread when the topic is about a very tragic mass killing that has no obvious relationship to poverty in the UK.

Various people will have been exposed to very extreme violence, through the deaths of family members or friends, and when these kinds of events come up in the media they can be very distressing for people reading them It's no doubt quite hard for people working through thoughts about that to switch to what is really quite a different topic (although of course all topics are in someway related) as benefit cuts etc in the UK.

Shots fired at 3 women in Stockton who refused to have sex; police say no link to Isla Vista case

But it's the same mentality.

'And the fact that women who are rich do get raped is "neither here nor there".

Your point is untrue, and your dismissal unpleasant.'

Yes, neither here nor there to the fact its more common for worse off women to be raped. Why do you keep denying this?

What Buffy said.

You said it was rare for better off women to be raped.

That is bollocks. And leaves rape victims who are not living in poverty in a pretty precarious position.

No-one is denying anything.

There are many risk factors around being raped. Being female is the main one. Why pretend it's not?

If it were to do with poverty, then poor men would be raped at a similar rate to poor women. In times of war, it would be male civilians who would be subjected to rape as a weapon of war on the same scale as women and girls. People with disabilities would be equally at risk of sexual abuse irrespective of sex. Inner city gangs would be initiating their male members with rape as well as their female ones.

But that's not what the stats say, is it. That's not what's happening. To pretend that being female is not a risk factor in rape is ludicrous.

'The ones who are keeping us poor and inequal.'

Yes, and that would be the very rich at the top as Im sure you'll agree. Obviously, ran mostly by men but also with the help of various well off, born with a silver spoon in their mouth women.

22honey what are you getting out of your involvement in this thread?

I am very shocked to see this misogynist annihalator's behaviour being excused on the grounds that he didn't kill enough women, and that the women and men he did manage to take out before his own lack of murdering skill stopped him were not all that attractive anyway.

Honey, seriously, do you think at all before you type ?

Lovesardines, It is rare compared to the amount of women in poverty who get raped.

22 it is OK to hate misogyny AND poverty.