This is what misogyny and male entitlement leads to.

[BriarRainbowshimmer]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638049/7-dead-drive-shooting-near-UC-Santa-Barbara.html

22 yo man murders 7 people as revenge for women not sleeping with him.

"Why are girls sexually attracted to obnoxious, brutish men instead of sophisticated gentlemen such as myself?"

[TessOfTheFurbyvilles]

Capt - it is completely chilling. Discussing how many rapes they have "done".

Some people will label it as "bravado", but no way, you can sense the hatred.

[Darkesteyes]

Jesus I started to read the Jezebel article and......and..... I don't know what to say. The misogyny also encapsulates hypocrisy. They moan that girls aren't attracted to "average looking guys" then bemoan that the girls are (and im only quoting) "fat and ugly"

And all the threats they are making. ITS FRIGHTENING.

[AnyFucker]

I think the majority of them are transparent liars about the "rapes they have done" but it doesn't change the mindset and it doesn't change the intent that in the right set of circumstances they would feel entitled to do just that.

[Darkesteyes]

Agree AF Its almost as if they are waiting for an "opportunity" to come along. Probably have not worded that well but don't really know how else to put it.

[AnyFucker]

They are framing their opportunity with like minded men who prop up their inadequacy and delusion.

[ReallyFuckingFedUp]

The bits about rape. Not "rape rape", mind you... Just "date rape" were shocking. I mean what the fuck does that even mean? If a work made the mistake of going out with you forcing her to have sex with you isn't proper rape.

[ReallyFuckingFedUp]

work=woman

[NormaStanleyFletcher]

Interesting article www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/27/your-princess-is-in-another-castle-misogyny-entitlement-and-nerds.html

[Darkesteyes]

A lot of the American comedies feed into this mindset. DH watches them. Tonight on How I met your Mother we had reference to a girl dressed as a "slutty pumpkin"

And on 2 Broke Girls tonight we have just had the Pill referred to as "like Pez for sluts"

[AnyFucker]

I read every word of that. When NAMALT'ers and "nice guys" come on here and bore the fuck out of us with their entitled and deluded monologues about how they are nothing like real rapists and we are dissing all men when we speak out against such, we say "so what are you doing about it then?"

Go read that, twats.

[Darkesteyes]

Itv3 recently repeated 1970s comedy Man About the House. Its over 40 years old and yet there is nothing like the misogyny in that as there is in the American ones. They are saturated with it.

[22honey]

'You gave up the moral highground quite some time ago 22honey'

convenient you missed out the rest of the post in order to misrepresent the context and meaning of it.

[ReallyFuckingFedUp]

Why call someone a twat and then add a kiss to the end of it?

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Why use full stops when you don't bother with capital letters?

[rootypig]

I have been reading the thread, but have had to come and go a lot, so sorry if anyone has posted these links already. But here are two articles that I thought captured something.

This one in the New Statesman argues that mental illness has structural causes that are consistently overlooked, and questions why Rodgers' undoubted mental illness took such a specific form.

This one in Gawker I think really gets it in a nutshell.

"[Rodger likely suffered from mental illness]... But the fact is that his logic was recognizable."

This is the concentrated, murderous, deluded pinnacle of the grim logic all women live with.

That this thread, of all things, has been anything other than an interrogation of the insidious culture of misogyny is just grim.

[CaptChaos]

That this thread, of all things, has been anything other than an interrogation of the insidious culture of misogyny is just grim.

People, men in particular, don't want what he did to be about misogyny.

When women are raped and killed and stoned to death in developing countries, when they are cut and forcibly married, we can all comfortably sit back and pontificate about 'them' the 'other' who do 'bad things' because their religion or culture or whatever is inherently misogynistic. But 'ours' isn't. It makes middle of the road people feel much better about things, because it 'shows' that our culture is 'better' than theirs. What a lovely warm glow of superiority it gives people. Everyone can sit back secure in the knowledge that misogyny and patriarchy are present only in the fevered imaginations of hairy, dungaree wearing radical feminists, and who would want to listen to those strident harridans anyway?

The problem is when there is an Elliot about. A dyed in the wool woman hater, a man who believes he in entitled to all the hot women he could want, and, when he doesn't get that, goes on fora with like minded men to whine about it. He writes a long and frankly dull essay about 'why the women of world owe Elliot a favour' and how, because they won't just 'take one for the team' with him he will round all of us up, and gleefully watch us starve to death from a tower. He was while, middle class, well educated, reasonably well presented, rich, well connected. He was everyman, or at least what everyman aspires to, he was also a violent misogynist.

It makes it more difficult for Western men to differentiate between their misogyny, which can kill and the misogyny in developing countries, which can also kill. So men have to find another way to 'other' him, the easiest and cheapest way of doing that is by saying that it was his mental health problems, his undiagnosed ASD, something, anything which separates him from 'us'. Once he has been othered, common or garden misogynists can return once more to their happy world of woman hating, knowing that nothing has changed.

That's why there is this endless attempt to blame MH problems. Not because it explains why he did it, but because it means that his crimes can be safely ignored as the work of an isolated 'loon' and the patriarchy is safe once more.

This isn't about women as victims, this is about these men's fear of being seen for what they really are.

[TessOfTheFurbyvilles]

Capt - if there was an applauding smiley, I would be using it right now!

[CrotchMaven]

Yes, capt. Fab post.

Men seen as who they are. Fascinating sentence. And what they do. Face - saving (and masking) as a cultural phenom enon in the West is not really recognised. I think it as prevalent as in Japan (where it is acknowledged) but all the relevant.

[rootypig]

Agreed Capt. Except I would add, that I think this is too about women's fear of accepting how they are really seen.

A pp said this to 22honey upthread - that she was processing a realisation of the implications of misogyny for her, something like that, it was said better - anyway, I agree. This is terrifying for women. At the very least it means being fucking angry and rageful - socially, which is exhausting, and if you're straight, you'll confront your feminism in your intimate relationships - and that alone is horrible. At least I find it so.

This is NOT to say that these things in any way register compared with being a victim of misogynist violence. It is just intended as an analysis of why thread like this hit the buffers so fast.