River Island 'Anti-Nag Gag'

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Can't quite believe they are selling this...

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I'm sure we will all do our best but will the majority? I feel like there is a gap in the market for a "Vetted Sons of Radfems Dating Agency"

Excellent idea. Perhaps we will be invited for a MN webtalk.

I have to ask, somebody made these comments several pages ago and they have gone unchallenged:

and there's no such fucking concept as misandry ffs!

It's as likely and as possible as being racist toward white anglo-saxons.

Are these statements generally accepted as true by feminists? I suppose the first one is more relevant to feminism though.

Personally, I do believe that misandry exists just as I believe you can be racist towards people of Caucasian heritage but I think context needs to be taken into consideration. Misandry exists because of the oppression of women just as racism towards white people exists because of white people oppressing people in other ethnic groups. Neither concept with would exist without the original oppression taking place. Cause and effect.

As for "generally" accepted. I have no idea. I am not one for generalisations, I think they indicate lazy thought process. It is far too easy to ring fence a group of people and make the assumption they feel the same way in order to reinforce your own stereotype. Some people will always break the mould. I prefer to take each individual as I find them.

What you are describing is the oppressed raging against their oppressors TeresaGreen. A perfectly understandable reaction. It isn't structural and it isn't upheld by society. So it most certainly is not on a par with misogyny or racism.

Quite right scallops "It isn't structural and it isn't upheld by society". That was the point I was looking for.

Thanks, those elaborations clarify things a bit and make sense to me. It just struck me that the statements by the poster were quite extreme yet went unchallenged. Certainly if you look at the dictionary definitions of those terms I struggle to see how anyone rational could uphold those statements as absolute truths.

They were my statements.

Buffy has pretty much explained them as I meant them.

It depends on whether you see misogyny as a class thing or not, and I do. Women as a class are disadvantaged compared to men as a class. People of colour are disadvantaged compared to WASPs as a class. This doesn't say that some men aren't harmed by women. It does say that society is set up for, run and vigorously protected by men, generally, white men.

This is not an extremist view.

It's been linked to before but no harm in linking again. www.adonismirror.com/10152006_leader_misandry_and_misanthropy.htm

LRDtheFeministDragon says it far more intelligently than I in this quote from another thread.

Misandry does not exist.

It some possible world, it could exist, just as we could have lived in a world where white people were ruthlessly oppressed and we experienced black supremacy. However, we don't.

Since misogyny is the structural oppression of women, it can't coexist with misandry, which would be the structural oppression of men. The two would cancel each other out.

Sexism towards men can and does exist, of course. But the wider context is of a society that is biased against women, and this wider context informs those instances of sexism.

If you chose, you could express this by saying 'well, there is sexism against men and sexism against women, but the sexism against women is more damaging and we know more people are killed by male violence than female violence, we know more women live in poverty than men, we know women earn less, etc. etc.' Or you could say 'there is misogyny and there is sexism against men; misandry does not exist'. To me, the latter is simply a lot more meaningful and useful, although the former isn't particularly difficult to accept either.

So, yes, I stand by my statement that misandry does not exist in the same way that racism towards WASPs doesn't exist.

So, yes, I stand by my statement that misandry does not exist in the same way that racism towards WASPs doesn't exist.

I can understand that on the basis of the explanations kindly provided by yourself and others, my confusion seemed to be that the definitions of misogyny, misandry (and racism) on here appear to be different than the definitions generally accepted elsewhere. I'll bear that in mind if I read those terms on here in future.