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maninism/mens rights!!

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jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 00:12

why are good loving fathers not given equal rights, why are we forced to spend thousands and go through lengthy court battles for the right to be a father to our own children all because the mother is so selfish and self centered that she can decide to do this with no regard for her childs happiness and future well-being just because she can out of spite and nastiness towards her ex partner. Many thousands of men have not been allowed to see or speak to their children for weeks or years and many simply cannot afford to continue their legal pursuit and are forced to give up for this exact reason. And yet these women have the audacity to call them themselves mothers, its laughable they are barely human beings.
Fathers are EQUALY important as mothers yet the law and some women's attitudes do not seem to reflect this. I know of a man who did everything he could to be part of his childs life, paid 36,000 in csa payments and was forced to have little contact with that child,then 10 years after she was born, rumours came out that that child wasnt his, a dna test confirmed this! Her motive? GREED, it is an all to common story, so many "mums" do not even consider how keeping their childs father out of their lives affects them in the the short and long term without even mentioning its moraly wrong. Any mum who takes there children away from there dad. doesn't deserve the bloody title! OUR children is the only way you can hurt us, which is why you use them as weapons and pawns in your sick twisted games, so how about you grow up realise life is too short, and that your children's happiness is actually MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR OWN! you may have your children now when they are young but i promise you you'll lose them when they learn the truth they will NEVER forgive you for destroying their special relationship with their dad and ensuring they had a s**t childhood, and let that be on your conscience,not that you have one or a soul or a heart or brain.
So stop punishing your children let their dads have access to them as much as you do, that is called EQUALITY.
this rant is aimed at all the dead beat"mums", i realise and recognise that the majority of mums are amazing and do the right thing by their kids by letting their father play a prominent role in their lives, as it should be. And obviously not all dads are worthy of that title either but i'm not talking about them i have as much respect for them as i do for these women that my comments are directed at.
Il be here waiting for your comments i felt it necessary to voice these facts in the lion's den so to speak, we need to be heard, fathers NEED equal rights.

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jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:12

and im angry with you lot for being absolute arseholes if someone accuses me of being a baby beater just because my ex left me well im gona get angry and il call you anything i want because you deserve it, if you show me respect il show you respect like i have done with peanut, casey and gossipwitch but the rest of you are just bullies, the issue i have raised although affects me isnt about me so try pulling your head out your righteous arseholes and take the issue for what it is like gossipwitch has done!!!!!!

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jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:20

and sassh geting married just you get pr is more than dumb why would you need to!! you should get married because your madly in love otherwise thats how marriages fail and families fall apart and you blindly accused me of being a woman /baby beater why would asane person make such an unfounded accusation and deserve to be called a stuck up cnt you you believe i deserve to be branded a child abuser.

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HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 21/10/2012 14:21

it's not going too well is it, this thread, JT ?

most of your comments on it have been deleted for breaking talk guidelines

perhaps there is a lesson in there for you somewhere ?

amillionyears · 21/10/2012 14:22

"if you show me respect il show you respect".
No, you can and ought to be doing better than this.
And shout and rant at me all you want.

The world will not always be respectful to you.
What are you going to do about it?
Thump them?
Shout at them?
Is this what you plan to teach your son?

Remember, the internet is not so private as you think.

And if a person who knows you,reads this,it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they show it to people who you would not like to see it.
Or do you think the courts and other interested parties are going to think ok about this your thread?
My guess is that you still dont care.Because you are still angry.

solidgoldbrass · 21/10/2012 14:26

It's just classic stuff, isn't it. "Bitch won't let me see my kids. Snot fair. I only kicked her in the head a couple of times and she was asking for it. All women are slags. Waaaa!"

avaboosmummy · 21/10/2012 14:29

I think the law should be changed so that if a man has financial responsibility for a child then parental responsibility becomes automatic.
Usually it is the mother who is left with care and the current system appears to always exonerate the mother of any wrong doing.
I just feel that cases of seperation should be treated individually rather than having a 'one size fits all' solution.
I don't really see that making a man 'pay' for his child is a solution to fathers who do not want parental responsibility, yes I appreciate children can be expensive but I would not want my ex's money if someone had to take it from him. I'd prefer to do without, hold my head high and provide for them. I just think that money taints things.
I know of a situation, young couple not been together long. Woman has the implant, uses this to reassure partner about contraception, they had the 'child' conversation, he said he wasn't ready just yet, given the fact they had only been together a few months I think that is perfectly reasonable.
She then has implant removed without telling him, guess what, falls pregnant.
I think the man has the right to walk away from this situation.
I think a father should have a right to sign away all parental/financial responsibility in situations like this.
Maybe this would make women who do this think about their childs future, while than having the current cussion of 'well it's his kid and he's going to pay for it'.

Pumpster · 21/10/2012 14:30

Respect has to be earned. We aren't your ex you know!

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:32

@i wipe arses , she took a 7 day old baby outside for 3 hours without a hat or shoes just carrying him in her arms because we had a disagreement about whether to take him out in his push chair or baby backpack thing, she stormed off wile i was upstairs, i did not go after her as she needed to calm down, but went out looking an hour later as my neighbour said she saw a girl holding a baby down the canal, i could not find them so i called the police, they really good loads of them attended and brought the home safe and sound.
but this isnt about me this is about fathers having equal rights to prevent the break up of loving family's .

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Strawhatpirate · 21/10/2012 14:36

We are arseholes and bullies? Really? Remember OP when you point the finger there are 4 pointing back at you! I would sincerly love to hear your Xs pov in all this.

IWipeArses · 21/10/2012 14:37

You had a disagreement about whether to use a push chair or a baby carrier, which led to you calling the police on her.

Is that the only incident of her putting him at 'risk'?

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:38

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jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:39

no it is not two other occasions she endangered his health

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eBook · 21/10/2012 14:40
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amillionyears · 21/10/2012 14:41

Trouble is,you are not managing to convince us that you are a better parent for the child?
You are probably showing us your worse side?
Maybe the truth is that neither of you are fit parents?

What do you think?
Why not write why you are a good parent?

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:42

im not pointing fingers im stating facts that some women do this to men because they can do some research

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IWipeArses · 21/10/2012 14:44

What were the other incidents?

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:45

i would love to but iv been put into a corner which iam fighting my way out, and again this isnt about me this is about a childs human right to grow up with two loving parents so why dont we talk about that instead of slagging each other because thats not what i came here to do

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IWipeArses · 21/10/2012 14:47

We have no evidence to suggest she isn't acting in the child's best interest right now.

Tiredtrout · 21/10/2012 14:49

Jive turkey you seem to be very angry with anyone who has a different viewpoint or experience to yourself. You are responding in a very aggressive way in the language that you are using, debate which is what you said you wanted isn't about mudslinging. For what it's worth there is some merit in what you say, I do meet women occasionally through work who have no intention of allowing their child contact with their father, sometimes it is justified. Personally after a relationship breakdown my ex had to be begged for money each month, he wouldn't keep to contact arrangements and eventually emigrated thus cutting his responsibility for maintenance and refusing contact. His actions were very harmful to our daughter. My current dh would never behave that way and I had always tried to encourage contact between dd and exh.

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:49

@amillionyears my aim isnt to make myself look like a good or bad parent i have trying to discuss a childs human right to grow up with two loving parents

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scentednappyhag · 21/10/2012 14:50

JT, you're not going to get any constructive advice while you're swearing at and insulting other posters.
Also, are you looking for advice here? As most of your posts seem like you just wanted to rant about women being horrible- feminism might be the wrong topic for that kind of rant.
I hope your child gets the upbringing and life that all children deserve, and that you and your ex receive all the help you need to ensure that.

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:51

im not trying to prove myself to any of you im just trying to raise a very important issue with you that affects millions of children worldwide

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Strawhatpirate · 21/10/2012 14:51

But op your language is vile, you're flaming everyone, is it really so surprising the way the other posters are reacting to you? We don't know you IRL we can only draw our conclusions based on your words and actions on this thread. You must realize your not coming across well based on the fact that loads of your posts have been deleted.

Pumpster · 21/10/2012 14:53

Yes some women do this and a lot of men treat women like shit too. Do your own research.
Am not offended btw, was merely an observation about the respect you are demanding in your aggressive manner.

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:59

because of some of the stupid comment iv had yes i does appear that way, hopefully you will all start to realise what this thread is actually about the shocking op drew you in but im still waiting for constructive adult comments concerning this issue stop pissing me off and il stop pissing you off i am defending myself against the individuals that are attacking me, i would love to hear what you have to say and i will respond respectfully but give me an earfull of abuse and it will be coming straight back at you x 10

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