maninism/mens rights!!

[jiveturkey]

why are good loving fathers not given equal rights, why are we forced to spend thousands and go through lengthy court battles for the right to be a father to our own children all because the mother is so selfish and self centered that she can decide to do this with no regard for her childs happiness and future well-being just because she can out of spite and nastiness towards her ex partner. Many thousands of men have not been allowed to see or speak to their children for weeks or years and many simply cannot afford to continue their legal pursuit and are forced to give up for this exact reason. And yet these women have the audacity to call them themselves mothers, its laughable they are barely human beings.
Fathers are EQUALY important as mothers yet the law and some women's attitudes do not seem to reflect this. I know of a man who did everything he could to be part of his childs life, paid 36,000 in csa payments and was forced to have little contact with that child,then 10 years after she was born, rumours came out that that child wasnt his, a dna test confirmed this! Her motive? GREED, it is an all to common story, so many "mums" do not even consider how keeping their childs father out of their lives affects them in the the short and long term without even mentioning its moraly wrong. Any mum who takes there children away from there dad. doesn't deserve the bloody title! OUR children is the only way you can hurt us, which is why you use them as weapons and pawns in your sick twisted games, so how about you grow up realise life is too short, and that your children's happiness is actually MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR OWN! you may have your children now when they are young but i promise you you'll lose them when they learn the truth they will NEVER forgive you for destroying their special relationship with their dad and ensuring they had a s**t childhood, and let that be on your conscience,not that you have one or a soul or a heart or brain.
So stop punishing your children let their dads have access to them as much as you do, that is called EQUALITY.
this rant is aimed at all the dead beat"mums", i realise and recognise that the majority of mums are amazing and do the right thing by their kids by letting their father play a prominent role in their lives, as it should be. And obviously not all dads are worthy of that title either but i'm not talking about them i have as much respect for them as i do for these women that my comments are directed at.
Il be here waiting for your comments i felt it necessary to voice these facts in the lion's den so to speak, we need to be heard, fathers NEED equal rights.

i posted it in femininism because femininism is about equal rights, and hey! guess what my post is about equal rights, now are there any other thick people with stupid things to say or is that it, please come back peanut and casey you seem to be the only two women that had something constructive to say!!

I'm not angry, I just want to know the whole story. As I said you could be the perfect partner but you have not given any back story.

like i said i haven't had the chance with everyone attacking me, and if you dont know the whole story why the fuck make disgusting accusations, your not right in the mind, just because your woman i dont automatically say oh shes a woman she must nag because that is a disgusting generalisation as is what you said, why dont you try thinking before you speak and learning all the facts! if your american i apologise you cant help it!

like i said i haven't had the chance with everyone attacking me, and if you dont know the whole story why the fuck make disgusting accusations, your not right in the mind, just because your woman i dont automatically say oh shes a woman she must nag because that is a disgusting generalisation as is what you said, why dont you try thinking before you speak and learning all the facts! if your american i apologise you cant help it!

why would i want to get married firstt i believe in science and facts not god this is 2012 not the 60's where peopl were very religous

Because it automatically gives you parental rights. I know a couple who got married for this very reason.

And how is sayiing you could be the perfect partner, "disgusting accusations"? Do you think FUCK YOU YOU STUCK UP CNT!* is a nice thing to say?

And you then consider yourself able to comment on my mental health, and that my only opinions are because of a previous relationship with a man - how bloody dare you?

You do not know me.
You do not know what relationships I have had or not had.
You don't even know if I'm a woman.

Oh and it's you're not your.

I'm not sure how we can help you Jiveturkey you seem very angry indeed. Why not get some sleep and come back later? And then if you have any specific questions about feminism and the legal system we can help you out? Because I really don't think this is a very productive discusion. Surely we can't answer for our entire gender. Consider instead perhaps that it was only in the 2nd half of the 20th century that women had any rights to their children at all. If a marraige broke down the father would get the children automaticaly.

Is this how you spoke to your ex?

Thankyou for your observations on my post and for drawing the conclusion that I am like you and that my ex is an arsehole.Neither observations are true. Though there are many things that my ex has done which make me less than sympathetic to him, he does have regular contact with our children. However, should he ever behave like you have done on a public forum and display that kind of rudeness, intolerance, anger and abuse to others, then there is no court in the land that could make me let my children go anywhere near him.

Is this how you behave in real life? Are you this angry and abusive in daily situations? Were you this angry/ illogical/ abusive to your ex? Then I completely understand her reluctance to let you anywhere near a baby.

There are some good points made here on both sides.

But I am afraid,op,that you do not do your cause any favours by writing like this.
Because you look like you lack some self control.

If the courts were to see this post,do you really think they are now going to look more favourably at your case??

And that is a shame. But like rosabud says,how safe are you around your child?
For all I know you are probably perfectly safe,but by doing this sort of thing,and presumably loudly shouting your mouth off in public,you put doubts in poeples' minds. Which persumably is the opposite effect to what you really want??

Pretty obvious why she binned you, isn't it? Showing yourself up as an unhinged woman-hater is not the best way to help your case.

I hope you feel calmer this morning.
Do you have any sensible,calm women in your life who could possibly help you with what may be a genuine case.
tbh, I am reluctant to read all your posts because of the ranting,and that is not what you really want is it?

You must always keep the end goal in mind?
What is the end goal?
Are you willing to change character,if necessary for the end goal?

If you have a lot of anger,and it seems you do,you need to find healthy ways to get rid of it.
Have a punch bag in your garage for example.
Go to the gym.
Take up running,whatever.
But get rid of it privately.

Ideally,you could post on here again,[not sure that feminism is the right place,because you are going to have lost the anger next time you post,right?],perhaps on "chat",as that is a fairly calm place,and talk about your rational ideas,and tbh, inform some of us about what goes on about this issue. I,for one,dont know much about all this stuff,and would personally like to read about it,maybe especially from a mans pov.
But,no anger. Once a poster starts being angry with another poster,they start to lose goodwill,and that is not what you really want ,is it.

If your behaviour on here is in any way reflective of how you treated your ex then I'm not surprised she doesn't want you to have contact.

You sound like quite a frightening, angry person who lacks self control. In other words, just the sort of person who shouldn't be anywhere near a baby.

Oh deary me! Jiveturkey I came back on here to see how you were doing but your posts have become terrifying!

You cannot speak to people like that. Imagine if the judges of your court case saw those posts calling people you disagree with "f&;ktards" and
"c?!nts"? What would they think of you as a potential role model for your son? I know that you are angry at life and the justice system and you are a young man who is incredibly frustrated but OP, this is not the way to go!

If you feel people are being undignified to you then rise above it, try to act with dignity yourself. Remember one day you will have your son with you and you need to show him what it means to be a cool rational human being.

I've read some angry things on here in my time but that post in the early hours of this morning is utterly vile.

I missed the offensive posts.

What have you done to try to get him back?
What reason does your ex give the courts to keep him from you?

Bloody hell.

What was it she did that was selfish and put his health at risk OP?

JiveTurkey, I just came back to see if any constructive point had been reached but it would appear not!

I know that sometimes life just makes you want to scream and lash out but you have to project it usefully or atleast privately, again I understand the rage and to be perfectly honest I've had my fair share of 'scraps' on this forum through misguided anger and that feeling of banging your head on a brick wall because people are attacking you left, right and centre... But you know what? Most of the time its because I'm putting my thoughts wrongly and not getting my point across.

Re-read your posts and think how you're coming across because it does seem very bitter towards women in general and some of you're comments are appaulling tbh!

But do I think that makes you an unfit parent who deserves to be kept away from his son? Hell no! It's your RL actions that matter, sometimes on here I sounds like a raving loon who shouldn't be left with a child and I've seen some others who do too.

ignore all the questions and snide comments, perhaps start a new thread, but I'd suggest you just go for it and write an honest account of why your ex left and what you've been doing since to help if that's what you want to do.

Hopefully you will get more help.

I very much doubt you have posted anything like the unhinged and frightening rant upthread peanut.

Is it just me or did he seem to have a strange reaction when solidgoldbrass posted? Almost like he was delighted being in the presence of a legend.

I missed the offensive posts.

Just think of words begingin with F and C, add them in any order and then finish with a sexist remark.

jive my mother denied that I was my father's for 3 years then she wanted csa so she had a dna test done, to prove I was his so she could get money off him, of course my father wanted contact with me so for one and a half year's he got that contact, my father couldn't give me enough, which didn't sit well with my mother as she had another child and that child's father wanted nothing to do with him, and even though my father would take my sibling with us on day trips my mother felt that because my father would buy me clothes and gifts, this was unfair to my silbling and stopped my contact with him. She moved us out of the area then back again then to another area until I left home at sixteen, 2 years later, I got back in contact with my father and as my mother barely visited or had contact with me, I have built a very strong relationship with my father, he has never once said a bad word against my mother not once, my mother however has been as spiteful as you can get about my father in the past, not so much now as I know the truth, but she has been, i have no relationship now with my mother but i have a fantastic on with my father and his wife who also has never said a bad word against my mother. Children work these things out for themselves, sooner or later.

thankyou for sharing gossipwitch, this is what i want to highlight, parental alienation destroys families and it is not good for ANYONE involved, kids need the unconditional love of both parents and if you deny them that they will grow up to resent whoever it my be mother or father for for doing so.
your father sounds like a great man, and your right Children work these things out for themselves, sooner or later.

if you think solidgoldbrass is a legend then my remarks about her also apply to you!