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I actually don't know what to say about this.

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It was banned in France and the USA.

Well it wasn't the alcohol that chemically altered our biological nature
It was society

Yes, it caused my cousin to have auditory hallucinations. He was running around the house searching for a non-existent crying baby.

Would like to hear what people think about how specific desires are formed though.

Although according the Wikipedia its pyschotic properties may have been exaggerated.

Anyway, are we ready for a reasoned and polite debate? I love a good debate, with robust positions, but I think we possibly need to draw a line and start again.

I may of course be totally wrong.

If your talking specific, genuine desires...

Can we really answer for anyone else other than ourselves?

I don't think it is any easier to answer about ourselves than to answer about larger groups of people.

You said, quite clearly, that nature was not created by 'man' in the same way as society is. That's not a credible theory, as far as I am aware. I've asked you to point me to sources and you haven't.

Desires are a social construct and beyond our control. Your position (note: not 'you') has not been credible since Freud.

But the thread is now clearly not the place to insist on silly things like credible evidence or interesting things like outside sources or alternative perspectives. I should have listened to my 'feelings' instead.

Excuse me

you honestly think nature plays no part in sex?

Really?

Anyway...

SeaHouses I feel, personally and could account for some of my desires as could dh.

I'm quite dull though, do don't have many!

slug I had some absinthe in Prague too. The only thing it gave me was a horrible hangover - though the night before was lots and lots of fun.

Obviously nature plays a role in sex. But I thought we were discussing where specific sexual desires come from.

As amazing as I am, Starwisher, I don't come up with this stuff all on my own. I am merely repeating widely accepted theories.

How does nature play a part in sex?

To be honest and not too explicit I have totally corrupted my Husband!! I do not know where I got my desires from but totally from within. Can desires really solely come from outside sources? I remember being young and feeling "sexual" and have done all my life. If we say desires are a social construct how come I really do not like tomatoes and love spinach when both are in every store ?

That question about desires is fascinating: I do think it must involve an interplay between early personal environmental experiences and social influences. It's a big question. But I certainly don't think desire springs fully-formed from a vacuum.

Are you talking about sex in general or specific desires?

Perhaps you could clarify that for us?

How do you know which is which, imnotmymum? Genuine question - which ones are the 'inside; natural' ones and which ones are the 'outside' ones?

I don't know; people who study this all their life don't know. We don't know. Perhaps one day we will - perhaps one day an MRI scan will locate them. But until then, our idea of 'nature' and what is 'natural' will inevitably be heavily mediated through the society in which we live.

Even sex - the physical act - is mediated through society.

It's not so very hard to imagine a society in which PIV sex plays almost no role unless the couple in question want children. It wouldn't require a brain-breaking shift to imagine that.

And if that did happen, I'm sure that very quickly it would become normative. People might view PIV as undesirable or unnatural or perhaps, in extreme cases, a sign of degeneracy or mental illness.

It's not so very hard to imagine.

Man and woman kiss and have foreplay

Woman's vagina expands and beckmes lubricated and feels urgent, primal need for something to be inserted

That's nature

They are all natural ones in my mind as it was my intrinsic desire to search out more "un-normal.?" behaviours to satisfy me. It was not the "outside" finding me.

I'm sorry to graphic, but really, come on...

And how does a BJ strap fit into that?
How does homosexuality fit into that?
How does asexuality fit into that?
How does anal sex fit into that?

Well clearly that isn't primal, because lots of women like sex but not penetration.

Victor, I would say that nature, by which I mean biology, has a part to play in terms of release of certain hormones when people orgasm. I think that is a general physical experience, rather a specific sexual desire for a specific fetish, which is variable and has to come from our environments.

And actually, what you're describing as 'nature' is really just 'normative' i.e: what our society claims is 'normal'.

As I said, it's not so very difficult to imagine a world in which the 'primal urge for insertion' is denied on a societal level.

But Seahouses, the biology that you describe just means that people will seek out orgasms. It doesn't explain any of the baggage surrounding their search!

It also doesn't explain the very real consequences that come about as a result of calling certain people's search for an orgasm 'normal'.

This sort of thing is widely discredited. It really is. I'm not making this up.

Why is vaginal penetration considered natural and therefore inevitable?

In most other species, sex is an act of procreation. Humans are unique in having recreational sex without the desire to procreate. Just as all other aspects of our society have moved beyond what is instinctive (e.g. fighting over food) as a result of consciousness and culture, why should sex be any different? The urge to find food is a much more powerful one than the urge to procreate after all.

There's nothing wrong with women wanting and having PIV of course, but since most women achieve orgasm far more through external stimulation than vaginal penetration, and since most women do not want to conceive every single time they have sex, it makes you wonder why we consider PIV the 'norm'.

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