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[Dillytante]

Apologies if there has already been a thread on this.

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I actually don't know what to say about this.

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Starwisher, no, I have decided that "anything" toward you "must be a hilarious joke."

I really can't add any more for your benefit in this discussion, I suspect.

Ahh right. Thanks for clarifying.

Apology accepted.

I shan't be engaging any further though.

Vicotor

It's not rubbish or outdated it's very interesting to myself and a a large amount of people interested in psychological models. Maybe it's your feeling it is rubbish, but that fails to make it fact
It is appalling the way my apology was received.

I don't think your helping matters by any means

I'm very interested in general about how images are transmitted through time and space, so that what is once a 'niche' becomes (at least for a while) more a social 'norm'. Sometimes the agency is deliberate; sometimes it's unwitting.

Hence all sorts of fashions, trends, and also sub-cultures.

Nice .so you realise up you have misunderstood my apology and you don't even have the heart to even say sorry.

Yep linerunner, and things get abstracted and decontextualised, but then lead to something seeming more 'normal' elsewhere. The thing on the OP is decontextualised but then potentially normalises a whole other world.

Was that even anything up do with what you were saying I've confused myself

I hope the OP DillyTante will come back if she has time for a comment on her growing thread!

Yes, AliceHurled, you make a very good point there.

Starwisher, you said to me that:

'if someone willingly wants to do something then I would say that is not pressure, as the desire existed already if that makes sense'

And you didn't answer when I asked you were desires come from.

Desires don't exist outside of society. We don't exist outside of our society. You are arguing from a completely discredited standpoint. Which psychological model argues that our desires come from a place within us that is autonomous of society?

It's not my 'feeling'. It's commonly accepted fact.

This is a discussion board. If we don't deal in facts and backed-up assertions then where will we be?

Anyone? And a time out? Everybody is getting upset here- lets start again with the understanding that nobody is INTENDING to be hurtful.

Actually Victor

I was composing an answer then I saw your reply to my apology, which perhaps didn't paint you in a very engaging or receptive manner so, forgive me, but by the point it seemed a little futile

I think that your question, Victor, about 'where do desires come from' is fundamental to a debate such as this about an object that may un-niched into the wider world.

Ooh, yes, nice cup of tea, thanks LeBOf.

In answer to your question though, nature which is not constructed by man they way society is, also has a place.

maybe I'll take a wine instead LeBof! And I'm a tee totaller.... Oh well :(

[absinthe]

Absinthe... Now that brings back some bad memories from my student days...

never had absinthe...

I'm perfectly willing to have a cuppa.

I'm less willing to have debate stifled by claims of not being 'receptive' or 'engaging'.

How can I possibly engage with a position that is, to the best of my knowledge, incorrect? How can I possibly be receptive to that?

Starwisher, I am perfectly willing to go off and read whatever source you have to offer that asserts that our ideas of 'nature' (when it comes to desire) is not a human construct, but maintains some kind of autonomous existence.

OK give me the absinthe ... and so it begins

Well funnily enough I deemed it pointless to debate with someone who said I was "completly discredited" and did not a comment about "not a good look"..

Anyway why woul one need a source to prove nature is not responsible for desire? I believe is not even debatable

Beware the absinthe.

DH and I had some in Prague years and years ago. We got quite tiddly on it and to this day we swear it has some strange aphrodisiac quality. bonked like rabbits afterwards

It makes people delusional.

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