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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Facebook supports rape?

908 replies

MotherPanda · 04/10/2011 13:53

Have we a thread on this yet?

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/04/facebook-hate-speech-women-rape?newsfeed=true

I am really shocked.

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Uppity · 08/10/2011 23:55

Actually I didn't think people did think that or were saying that, wolfperson (sorry you're name is too long for me to cope with)

My gut response to that, was simply that the characteristics she described were a) wrong and b) irrelevant because even if they were right (which I'm not sure of) they were only referring to a tiny number of rapists who are not the major problem for women -the major problem is the "ordinary" type ones, which is what the original article was about.

and dare I say it, Rhubarb did post in a very authoritative fashion which brooked no argument from people who said her characteristics were wrong. And it all got very entrenched and defensive. Sad

The thing is, if you come on here and post in a very combative fashion and are actually posting factually incorrect things, you surely have no right to be surprised or feel hard done by, when people post back in the same tone. It's kind of inevitable.

Tortington · 09/10/2011 00:00

proles you are just being unkind at this point.

Prolesworth · 09/10/2011 00:04

I'm sorry if I've upset you, and yes, the wisecrack about having a beer was out of line.

Posting that the MN feminists are bullies and aren't proper feminists if they're too chicken to take on the regulars (do you think we're all newbies on here? I've been here as long as you ffs) isn't very kind either is it though? Or do you think posting that sort of stuff is fair comment?

Tortington · 09/10/2011 00:07

i think posting that there is a disparity is fair comment. i have never suggested or intimated that anyone without a certain longevity is not entitled to an opinion.

Tortington · 09/10/2011 00:08

thank you for the apology.

not often done on mn and warmly welcomed thank you

mrstoon · 09/10/2011 10:26

It's actually quite funny. Feminists here are happy to bully anyone from behind a keyboard because you have a different POV, yet hate being bullied by the patriarchy. Weird stuff methinks

EllaDee · 09/10/2011 10:34

Wow, you gleaned all that knowledge from your single post on MN?!

You must be one of those mythical lurkers we've heard about.

Allow me to lead you into the light, my dear. There are some very friendly threads on Feminism.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 09/10/2011 10:45

Yep, I knew there was a reason I hated those damned feminists. Such bullies.

Grin

Re-read the thread. And take your rhubarb tinted glasses off, dear.

mrstoon · 09/10/2011 10:47

I namechanged, so this isn't my only post

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 09/10/2011 10:50

N'awwww, so you namechanged just to attack us?

We're honoured

mrstoon · 09/10/2011 10:51

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HoneyMomster · 09/10/2011 10:54

MrsToon BLATANT & willful misrepresentation there. You are incorrect.

^^ that's called disagreement, not bullying. Even though I am a feminist. Just so you, and all others, are clear.

EllaDee · 09/10/2011 11:06
Shock

That is completely out of order. How dare you say anyone has lied about their past experiences? How on earth would you know?!

This is very different IMO from what Rhubarb was saying and I just want to make that clear. Rhubarb claimed expertise that, in my opinion, didn't tally with her posts or the information others gave her. She wanted to be right, she was upset because the subject-matter is upsetting and she felt hurt by the way her responses were characterised. I don't think the response she got was unfair or in any way inappropriate, FWIW. But it is totally different from saying someone lied about rape, and I do not want to see her dragged down to that level by someone posting under a namechange with a problem with feminists.

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/10/2011 11:06

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Uppity · 09/10/2011 11:10

MrsToon what the fuck are you on?

Who has lied about or exaggerated their "unfortunate experience"?

WTF?

Wow, you really have an axe to grind. You are completely out of order. That post was disgusting.

HoneyMomster · 09/10/2011 11:13

MrsToon knows these things. Hmm

Horrible

mrstoon · 09/10/2011 11:18

Not trying to upset anyone, just pointing out how you shouldn't bully if you hate it yourself

AlysWorld · 09/10/2011 11:20

MrsToon, you're not trying to upset anyone? Have you no idea how utterly vile that post was? Foul.

Prolesworth · 09/10/2011 11:21

You come on here to say that we're bullies and that someone is lying about being raped and then claim you're "not trying to upset anyone"? WTF

HoneyMomster · 09/10/2011 11:21

MrsToon try reading what YOU wrote, to start with - master that and you can move on to the more difficult 'Reading Other people's Posts'

Failing that, you can cover your confusion by calling people bullies.

^^again, not bullying. Disagreement, annoyance and rather lacking in patience. Just to be crystal clear.

Tortington · 09/10/2011 11:21

just want to be clear, this is nothing to do with me.

HoneyMomster · 09/10/2011 11:23

Wouldn't have thought so Custardo, I know I was cross with you last night but I would never think you'd n/c to tell a rape victim they've lied.

EllaDee · 09/10/2011 11:25

Custardo - no, and I should have included you in my post re. Rhubarb. It's a totally different thing, clearly, and probably best none of us engage.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 09/10/2011 11:39

Custardo, I'm just posting to add: I know that this is nothing to do with you or rhubarb. For all our disagreements over the past few days, you wouldn't post something like that

Uppity · 09/10/2011 11:47

Mrstoon you did mean to upset people.

You sound like one of those arseholes who habitually come over here, post really offensive, triggering stuff, really upset people and then start whingeing about bullying when people call you on it.

D'you want to explain wht you meant by people lying about or exaggerating their experience? Or would you prefer to offer no explanation for that because the only possible reason there could be for it, is in order to upset people.

But by all means wring your hands and start whingeing about how everyone here is a bully becuase they're so disgusted by your disgusting posts.