This board is the most frightening .

[fangbanger]

Apparently.

I am a little saddened that a forum mostly used by women, has decided that the feminist boards are the most frightening of the forum.

Why do we feel that is? What can be done to prevent people from feeling so intimidated that they are too scared t post?

I wasn't trying to be arsey. Just being nosey.

WTF was that post sorry, let me try again,

Custardo, your argument that female oppression is merely based on the division of labour falls short, because economic oppression is only one of the tenets of our oppression. YOu also seem to be implying that it is a coincidence that women are poorer than men. It is not. It is deliberate and history shows us that it is. Just look at the policies of the current government where it is women (who are poorer) that have been targeted for the cuts not men (who are already richer). It is deliberate. Belive it.

x posts aviatrix. That WTF was at my own post!

It's a valid way of looking at things though. If we lived in a society where ownership was changed then that would by default change the way people live and work which would have an impact on lots of feminist concerns. It's not my bag baby but it's a lot easier to understand than 'non-feminist'.

cba at the moment sakura, maybe later - but you and i have had this discussion before

maybe we could argue this out under politics or even chat,

as i have already stated you have to have a thick hide to be in the feminist topic and defend your belief system if you are a non feminist. I was being polite and answering hully's question i didn't want to enter into a debate about my belief system

i dont call myself a feminist as i feel
that women and men do have equal opportunity obviously theres stories of sexism out there like there is with anything, but im not one to play the female card! the idea of feminism dosent interest me at all, a women within reason can be whoever she wants to be in this day and age in my opinion and i dont agree with demeaning at every chance, i feel that there are things that a man can do better than me? so what! and i get a man to do my diy. to be honest i just feel like im rambling but the top and bottom of it is i dont feel im a feminist.

Have spent half an hour searching & have only come up with a few bits & bobs. Dittany, I should clarify that my long post was not all aimed squarely at you, only the bit where I quoted you. At the end I used "you" generically and I see why you are so offended; it could have read as meant only for you.

I accept that you've never said women invite rape by any means, nor anything like it. I am sorry for your offence.

As far as I can tell, these are two of the bits that left me with the impression my feminism isn't good enough for this board:-

Dittany wrote on the aforementioned Acquiescence thread:
It's interesting that ... women are still asking ourselves what is wrong with us, why are men singling each of us out, as if there was something individually about us that we're doing wrong. What we're doing wrong, if we were to put it that way is that we are women in a male dominated world, where men as a group are able to prey on women with virtual impunity and some of them take full advantage of that fact.

That in no way suggests you feel women 'ask for it', of course. What it did was to shift the emphasis away from my line of query - which, in summary, was "why do we play nice, and what can we do about it" - to the problem of male violence against women. Not to say it isn't a problem, but I was taking that for granted.

Vezzie wrote on the Chat thread:
while young women dress and behave more and more like sex objects, not knowing any other way, society does not change its views of such women ... The trouble is we have traditional values applied to 21 century normally dressed young women - who by traditional values are dressed like dolly birds ... however they dress they have given "permission" to men to devalue and ignore them.

Many others agree with vezzie's sentiment. To me, this means an acceptance of perceived values that I feel would be better addressed by ignoring said values!

There are other snatches I remember but couldn't find by searching - notably, the 'victim-blaming' one and some comments about dressing like porn stars. Overall, I have to accept that either I'm not a feminist according to the standards of this board or I'm piss-poor at getting my views across. Or both.

Dittany, I've been aware for a considerable time that you feel I wish to persecute you. I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't know why you do, or what motive you suspect. I don't persecute anyone anywhere, I hope.

Glamour wrote - "im not one to play the female card!"

What is "the female card"?

Thanks for answering Custy - I would be v interested to know what you think, but accept you don't want to do it here at the mo.

Another time/ another place, maybe?

Grace I see you have apologised. I think you should ask for your offensive post to be deleted.

I can't see how telling people to 'fuck off' will encourage new or lurking posters to post on the feminist section.

Vesuvie by the female card i mean women who instantly say its because im a women say for example they lose out to a man at something they feel their being looked down on because their female, and they will milk it for all its worth

Youllskimmer your post was laced with irony, right?

where is the love?

maybe we can have a 'well, if it's alright with you, i kind of think xxxxx, unless of course you disagree, in which case never mind' board

or a 'everything you can possibly do as a woman is a feminist choice and anyone criticising it is mean wahhhhhhh' board

there seems to be a real crying need for these

if that's ok with everyone here in the nicest possible way etc etc etc