what do we want? size 16 to size 10. what will we do to get there? anything.

[StealthPolarBear]

Couldn't get much more inspirational than the title of the first thread. We're doing this for ourselves. No one else outside family really cares if we're size 16 or size 10. No one else really benefits when we're slimmer. We take all the pain but get all the benefits. And it matters, we'll do anything to get there. Seriously assess - are you really doing all you can? Could you maybe cut out a bit more junk or exercise on the days you can't be bothered? If you really are doing all you can, brilliant. the weight will be coming off, slowly but surely. If, like me, you're thinking that maybe you could try a bit harder sign in here for your butt kicking.
do you want to be fat at christmas?

I'm NOT dictating

Yes you are. Because you came here with preconceived ideas. Without getting to know anyone individually. Without understanding individual motives. That's called prejudice. That's what you've done. Shame on you.

OK not dictating. Assuming. As summed up in your "what a horrible thread">
Did you not read the bits that said "We're doing this for ourselves...No one else really benefits when we're slimmer"?
Guessing you won't directly answer this or the post from Farie
(whose name I can't spell)

I'm not saying I know your specific reasons. I just know a hell of a lot of women dislike themselves and feel bring slim is very important because of societal pressures.
I think choice is compromised in the patriarchal society we live in. These supportive groups are hugely dominated by women eg Sw, ww.
I'm not saying you are consciously doing it for those reasons but Growing up in a society that values women primarily on their appearance and adhering to specific body shape has an affect on both men and women.
I'm not saying your wrong. You are the victim of patriarchy. Society is wrong. If you need/want to lose weight fair enough but there is nothing wrong with questioning reasons. It leads to more freedom and ime less body insecurity for some women.

So you have no idea why we're doing it but felt the need to come on and patronise us? And have a go at me for the OP. Well done. You're not doing much for feminism. I think you need a few more lessons in arguing your case before you go any further. Have you heard of the "straw man" argument.

It's easy to think that but when there is fat hatred all around us it's gonna make ppl feel shit and then if they do lose weight there is so much praise And acceptance that many people do feel the pressure..

Why is it patronising? Just saying yay women isn't the point of feminism. It's about changing the institutions that oppress us.

no, there is nothnig wrong with questioning reasons. One of the questions I ahve asked people as they join is whya re you doing this and what are you plans to do it. And these are things I revisit myself regularly. So we're managing that quite nicely, thank you. Your "what a horrible thread" added nothing to our collective sense of self-wrth and did nothing to forward the cause of feminism.

"Did you not read the bits that said "We're doing this for ourselves...No one else really benefits when we're slimmer"?

who the fuck said yay women?
Honestly. You are fitting an argument around your agenda. It bears no resemblence to what has been said on this thread or on our other threads. You still havent explaned the deleting issue - no-one suggested the tread be deleted at all. There is nothing so infuritating as someone who thinks they know what other people are thinking or feeling an argues against them.

You are sayng that we're a bit thick though. And can't make decisions for ourselves. Nothing you have said promotes feminism. In fact, you seem pretty narrow minded yourself. Still waiting for you to answer my questions . . .

Right I've caught up and I have to say krum that I want to laugh at you for jumping in feet first without bothering to actually find out what this thread is about. You have made a bit of a fool of yourself.

Everyone who joins has said why they are doing it and I don't recall one person saying it's because of the way society as a collective thinks. Everyone has their own, very personal reasons for losing weight and they have been kind enough and brave enough to share that.

I'm sure you feel that questioning us is hel

I answered them! I just wrote a whole paragraph answering them.
Not saying your thick at all.

OK I will simplify it.

Q1 what makes you think you know what's best for me? You most definitely have not answered that!

Sorry posted too soon.

I'm sure you feel that questioning us is necessary and good for us but it's pretty rude of you to jump on the thread with such an aggressive manner.

Start a new thread if you want to question people's motives.

Q2 Are you assuming I want to lose weight because I am a woman? You have not answered that!

Have come back since being Pm'd ( thanks for thta).
Please leave Krum.
Or else we will ask for this thread to be deleted and we will starts a new one, right Stealth and others?

Stealth and others, please leave Krum behind, here.
And come on over to our new Motivational Monday thread.
Hopefully Krum won't follow.

Oblomov. Do you think I'm talking to myself?
I'm only answering what posters are asking me! (and then moaning if I don't answer quick enough :) )

krum feck off

Lol. I'm using an iPhone, with autocorrect. I'm sorry if me not going over it and grammar checking and that makes me an idiot. This is only an Internet conversation!

Please leave Krum.

Fairenuff etc seemed interested in debating with me. So I answered their comments. That's not awful is it? You are not all one person (that was actually part of fairs argument).

But you didn't actually answer though did you Krum .

Now all you are doing is dragging it out!

Krum I have set up a new thread in Chat.

If you can't find it pm me and I will send you a link.

Apologies to everyone else.