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Bootcamp Week 8 - BIWI's AWOL but we're still going down

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FiddleDeFat · 04/06/2012 07:50

New chat thread for the week.
Old thread here.

Weigh-in thread here.

OP posts:
FiddleDeFat · 04/06/2012 08:06

A reminder of BIWI's rules:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

OP posts:
FiddleDeFat · 04/06/2012 08:07

And an extra rule from me: No mention of Pimms allowed Grin

OP posts:
WillieWaggledagger · 04/06/2012 08:09

Thanks!

I'm at my parents', and for various reasons I am not telling them about this woe, but have managed to avoid most carby things. I have had a couple of glasses of wine, but it's very good wines so worth cheating for! Out for lunch yesterday I had mushroom soup which I think might have had potato, but overall I don't think it's too bad.

Hope everyone is enjoying the long weekend and didn't get too damp yesterday

WillieWaggledagger · 04/06/2012 08:09

Rofl fiddle

SharonGless · 04/06/2012 08:11

Thanks Fiddle - you just beat me to it! Well done Willie too

FiddleDeFat · 04/06/2012 08:17

Sorry Sharon. Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. Just came on to update my weight so thought I'd update the threads while I was at it.

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Jacaqueen · 04/06/2012 08:41

Just marking my place on the new thread.

Is this really week 8? Time flies when you are losing weight!

doradoo · 04/06/2012 09:28

Back to bootcamp proper this week. Managed to get into my frock for the wedding at the weekend - fitted beautifully! But now all sights on the summer hols.... need to get something proprer shifted!

vnmum · 04/06/2012 10:19

marking place. 1.5lb off this week. Half term will disrupt my gym going though so will have to wait and see how that affects this weeks loss.

Moanranger · 04/06/2012 11:55

My message has disappeared! Or something - anyway, down 4 lbs, I got with the programme albeit a few boo-boos, cottage cheese seems ok for me, and do eat some regular cheese, but small amounts - in salad, that sort of thing. I grill pork belly on bbq usually after marinading it.

Got soaked yesterday - went on a hack and the heavens opened when we were farthest from the yard - 45 min back in rain, then had to sort the horses out before even thinking about ourselves - poured water out of my boots, but the good thing about riding is that I never thought about food. More of the same the rest of the week, I think. Now, if I press Post, will this?

My message to FiddlydeFat is - posted my new weight but does spreadsheet automatically update the loss, or do I have to post it, and if so, how?

moonshine · 04/06/2012 12:23

I've recorded my weight on the other thread and the fact that I did not cheat at all and lost NOTHING! And only 0.5 lbs the week before. I haven't strayed or cheated (well apart from 2 glassses of wine on Saturday) but my weight has basically not changed every day for nearly 2 weeks, give or take the same .5/1lb. Why can't I lose Confused?

But well done to all you other losers - I shall live vacariously through you. And I want to know particularly what Headstart did this week to get such a big loss!

FiddleDeFat · 04/06/2012 13:28

Moanranger Your message hasn't disappeared - it's over in the Weigh-in thread, along with my answer.

OP posts:
SharonGless · 04/06/2012 15:41

No problem Fiddle - saved me a job! After the 4lbs I have put on on holiday 2lbs off this week so am happy with that. HAve been strict with food this weekend but not alcohol.

moonshine don't despair. It's common to hit a plateau whilst your body is getting used to this woe. Why don't you post everything you have eaten for last week and see of there is anything we can spot

moonshine · 04/06/2012 16:26

Thanks SharonGless - I have posted a day's menu on the other thread and will endeavour to give up my coke zero for a bit to see if that's the problem. Oh and eat less because I think I am probably enjoying my meat just a little too much Blush. I'd be happy to lose weight with strict food and some alcohol though so well done!

smokinaces · 04/06/2012 17:14

Afternoon all. Got up soooooo late this morning due to no kids here for the night. I weighed but going to do tomorrow as well as I'm usually a 730am girl.

slowlyburningcalories · 04/06/2012 20:24

I fell into a bottle of that which shall not be named last night, suffering for the post drink carb cravings today and weight gain in accordance. Moral of this story. Do not cheat.

DH out me in charge of small toddler, have eaten sausages for tea with salad and now surfing the net for kitchen inspiration

heartstart · 04/06/2012 21:38

Moonshine, all I did was stick to boot camp (with a couple of stray total and fruit sessions) and drink a lot of water as I have a lot to loose. I had been doing boot camp light before and not making much progress because I was using a lot of things like bacon and ham. Plus flax bread a few times. So in effect this was my first week not expecting it to continue at this right as nice as that would be! Been reading a lot about paleo diet and the principles of clean food, which is interesting. I do think as someone else said it is partly a case of working out what food is ok for you. Hth

jan2011 · 05/06/2012 07:15

its so annoying how they put extra carbs in like EVERYTHING. even before i went on this WOE i liked eating natural things and it used to annoy me, all the added ingredients. for example dh picks me up frozen berries, and of course there is added carbs. and stuff like tins of smoked mackarel - whatever they are using to season it has sugar, like 13grams in one tin i was looking at . only when you are counting carbs do you realise how much there are in everything :)

studyingstudying · 05/06/2012 21:14

After a good (half) week starting this last week, I have completely derailed today...Jubilee tea party with some friends meant I ate some quiche, a scone and the most yummy cake. Oh dear!

So I am starting again tomorrow. Wish me luck!

SharonGless · 05/06/2012 21:34

Good luck studying - the main thing is lots of water and getting back on tram. My stomach is swollen beyond belief after my sugar binge but just realised it is TOTM. Lots and lots of water then bed in the hopes of pulling myself together for rest of the week

puffylovett · 05/06/2012 22:00

Hello ladies. Can i please join you? Loving the Support on this thread.
I've been lurking for a week or so, started low carbing last Sunday. When us started lurking I realised I wasn't drinking enough water so upped it to 2l and since then have lost 4-5lbs (although it's fluctuated over the weekend!) today I binged on a pack of cheddar biscuits Blush but in my defence I'm expecting af tomorrow I think!
I've been exploring paleo and intermittent fasting too.
Primary reason for joining is that I am 5ft 6 and 12 stone 1 initially (now 11st 8 yay!) but also as dp has just been diagnosed with either diabetes or pre diabetes - not sure yet but I suspect pre diabetes as hes had to wait 2 weeks to see the diabetic nurse, so it can't be that bad a caSe!
I'm also still breastfeeding my 2.5 year old, which has made it reeeeeally hard to lose weight naturally. And he doesn't sleep well which has heightened the reliance on sugar! My eldest was the worlds pickiest water but he's doing loads better now he's had an adenotonsillectomy so I feel that mows a good time to start altering our eating habits as a family.
Phew essay! Sorry!

BIWItheBold · 05/06/2012 22:04

Welcome, puffylovett!

Print out the rules, so that you don't cheat again! It is brilliant for both you and DH especially that you have discovered low carbing. Please make sure that you buy/borrow a book or two on low carbing, so that you really understand the thinking/science behind it - this is especially important for your DH if he is suffering from/likely to suffer from diabetes.

I can really recommend that you read Dr John Briffa's book Escape the Diet Trap, or Gary Taube's The Diet Delusion (the latter is a very thick tome, but very worth reading)

heartstart · 05/06/2012 22:14

Hi puffylovett

B 3 egg omelette pepper much room shaving of cheese
Snack chicken thigh
D homemade burgers on portobello mushroom, coleslaw, lettuce and asparagus

3l water so far

puffylovett · 05/06/2012 22:21

Thanks biwi! I do understand the science so no probs there. I toyed with Atkins about 10 years ago but felt awful. This time around its more of a lifestyle change. I feel that we all react badly to gluten / yeast, I have a history of systemic candida and blooming love veggies so I'm finding it fairly easy. :)
I did have 2 days of exhaustion last week, but I think I was too low carb for me and not enough fat :) have since increased the seeds on salad and oily fish :)
It's nice to read this thread for the motivation and hand holding, even though the weight loss isn't technically my primary goal :)

Thegoddessblossom · 05/06/2012 22:43

OMG. Harcombe/Atkins/Low carb, whatever the hell I am doing, have fallen catastrophically off the wagon this weekend, mainly this evening. I am not one for sweets and cakes, but went to a soiree with the girls this evening - deliberately ate curry with broccolli with the children and DH at 5.30pm before I went as I knew the "nibbles" everyone supplied would be completely inappropriate for me. Ended up eating my body weight in kettle chips, brie and red onion tartlets, chicken satay and salmon crustini. All divine, but all terrible.

Am bootcamping for the next 3 days to try and redress the balance, and will not weigh until Friday (and then with one eye closed, standing on one leg, holding breath).

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