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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

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BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

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WillieWaggledagger · 28/05/2012 08:15

thanks for the new thread

ohforfoxsake · 28/05/2012 08:15

Thanks again BIWI for keeping us going. I'm off on holiday today but planning to mostly stick to the WOE, but am going to allow myself wine. its only for 4 nights so I'm going to bootcamp next weekend.

Forgot to weigh myself this morning, but am expecting a gain as I drank alcohol not in moderation this weekend. I can go for weeks without drinking because I don't go out very much, but when I do (and barbecue season is well and truely upon us) I don't even entertain the idea of not drinking. Might need to start working on that one...

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 08:21

It depends, OFFS - ultimately this WOE needs to become sustainable in the long term. That means being able to accommodate the occasional lapse.

I've been doing this now since February, and have slowly lost 1 1/2 stones, but have continued to drink at the weekend. Mostly in moderation, but not always!

Hope you have a lovely holiday! Where are you going?

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mummyduff · 28/05/2012 08:22

love the title of thread, made me smileSmile

I am finding the BBQ great for this diet, chicken, steak, fish all with salad. Though for the 1st time since the beginning my weight has stayed the same this weekSad

Thegoddessblossom · 28/05/2012 08:29

Marking my place. Forgot to weigh until had downed water, tea and yoghurt so not doing it now!!

Have a great holiday Fox.

mummyduff · 28/05/2012 08:35

OFFS hope you have a fab holiday, I am also go on on Saturday and intend to do the same as you, stick to it but with a little vinoGrin

Livelongandprosper · 28/05/2012 08:43

Marking my place also.

Off to buy a dress for my niece's wedding. I ordered one on the internet but it was made for someone a foot taller than me so am having to go and try things on. Sad

Another few pounds lost despite the weekend and despite me trying to hold at current weight. Still, no one has asked me if I'm ill (this is what happened last time I got near 9st) so it must look ok.

Where are you off to Fox?

NotMostPeople · 28/05/2012 09:02

Weighed in this morning to find that the 2lbs I'd lost a few days ago has crept back on and I've been good this weekend. Ok I did eat a very small piece of foccacia yesterday.

TOTM now very overdue and my tummy is a bit bloated so hoping that's why the gain and not the foccacia.

2bayumimum · 28/05/2012 09:50

Question about protein shakes, as trying to find an alternative to eggs for breakfast and when time is short....had one this morning, totally unsatifying, so wondering if I should be doubling quantity or something...? I presuming because its high protein/low carbs that the shakes are ok to use on Bootcamp ( now on week 3 and whilst sticking to BC in every other way, need a change to eggs ) ? Used Soya Milk, as couldnt get double cream yesterday and Soya is low in Carbs. Any advice please would be great. Thanks

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 10:05

Your neice's wedding?! Shock

Surely she is still a tiny teeny little girl, Livelong?!

2bay - can't really help about protein shakes, as I've never done them. But if you're still hungry, try eating something else. Breakfast doesn't have to be eggs!

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smokinaces · 28/05/2012 10:14

Morning all :-)

Creamtea1 · 28/05/2012 10:16

Also off on hol this week - tomorrow have to bite the bullet and try the bikinis on before they are packed..argh
Am going to stick to this woe on hol but will find having no scales to weigh for a week a complete TRAUMA!!

teaandthorazine · 28/05/2012 10:45

Morning all. Despite yesterday's carb fest I appear to be a lb down, so can't complain. Feel a bit bloated though, will drink plenty of water today to help that along...

I just don't feel like eating anything. Maybe I'll try a proper fast today and see if that'll repair the carb damage!

Manvsfood · 28/05/2012 10:48

So envious of you all off on holiday, I hope you all have a lovely time.

Another pound lost this morning, 8lb down after my first week.

BIWI I will not give in to the Beer, don't you worry :-)

Just made crust less quiches with left over veg from dinner last nigh. Filled up a muffin tin, really nice and perfect for breakfast.

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 11:41

That's great, Manvsfood!

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jan2011 · 28/05/2012 11:47

cream and everyone going on hols, have a great time! i feel like all this nice weather is giving me a bit of a holiday!

biwi there really was nothing to eat at the barbecue - there was bread, crisps, sweets, apple pies, ice cream. zilch for me except lettuce, i didn't fancy a plate of lettuce and think that would have looked ridiculous! i was aware the dilute orange had carbs but at that moment, it seemed like the best option given all the other choices of drinks, and i didn't want to not eat and then not drink either! although noone really noticed me not eating anything as they were all eating their own and i was feeding the baby.

tonight im having my own little 'do' and it means i can cook what suits me. we are having chicken fajitas, lots of salad, and of course i can have my own version of things - nice boiled egg salad stuff.

vnmum · 28/05/2012 11:50

3lb up today, could be a number of reasons. not stressing, feel good in self so will see what next week brings. just back from a short but sharp gym session and now off to get some meat for a bbq before the weather leaves us Smile

jan2011 · 28/05/2012 11:51

heartstart i just read you made the thai green curry - i am going to make it sometime soon - i made it before for dh when i wasn't on this WOE and it tasted fab - i didn't have any cos there was cream in it haha. i'm going to make it again and make sure theres no carbs in it.

scrablet · 28/05/2012 13:24

V vv late joining in. Have been trying bc now for three days (today 4).
Unfortunately it coincided with v bad cold, which started night before I started BC so sure is not just 'carb flu' tho don't suppose that helped. This has meant I have not started exercising yet, which I know is vital.
Really want to lose about 2 1/2 stone, but 1 would be a great start and help my mood for summer.

Have read through all the previous chat threads, and gained great inspiration.

Fingers crossed!!

Thegoddessblossom · 28/05/2012 13:29

Welcome Scrablet.

Which reminds me, BIWI what the hell was the tablet Mme's brother made that she brought you? Intrigued....

Lunch was a big chicken leg with the skin on, coleslaw and lettuce and some roasted courgettes.

heartstart · 28/05/2012 13:32

Jan the curry is lovely

carabos · 28/05/2012 13:38

I've been lurking on here - very interesting and thank you BIWI for putting so much into it.

I've done my BMR with exercise and have 1500 cals per day.

I've been following the principles and happy with that (haven't really got any wieght to lose, although 5lb would be nice), but have two questions:

  1. Why so much water and why does it make such a difference?
  2. What do folks think about weighing portions - I've started doing this and am a bit Sad about how little food is in a portion.
MNP · 28/05/2012 13:47

Enjoy your holidays, mine next week.

2lb off this week :) should of/could of maybe been more but not managing my 3.5-4L a day doing min 2.5, mostly 3L.

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 14:22

carabos - are you on the wrong thread?! No need to count calories on this WOE (way of eating). And with low carbing you can eat plenty of food.

Re water - here is a quote from the Carblife forum about the benefits of water:

"Incredible as it may seem, water is considered by some as possibly the single most important catalyst in losing weight and keeping it off. Although most of us take it for granted, water may be the only true ?magic potion? for permanent weight loss! Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize stored fat. Studies have apparently shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here?s why:
The kidneys can?t function properly without enough water. When the kidneys don?t work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the liver?s primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. If the liver has to do some of the kidney?s work, it can?t operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains stored in the body, and weight loss slows.
So, if we know that water is the key to fat metabolism, it follows that the overweight person needs more water. But how much more?
A healthy weight person (between 20-25 BMI) should drink at least 3 litres every day. However, the overweight person needs an additional half a litre for every stone of excess weight. So if you are 1 stone overweight its 3.5 litres so that would be the minimum for the great majority of us here. Consequently it goes up half a litre per stone of excess weight. Personally, at 3 stone overweight I should therefore drink 4.5 litres per day as a minimum.
Drinking plenty of water is also the best treatment for fluid retention. When the body gets less water, it perceives this as a threat to survival and begins to hold on to every drop. Also, as a bonus water helps to prevent the sagging skin that usually follows weight loss - shrinking cells are buoyed by water, which plumps the skin and leaves it clear, healthy, and resilient."

And another:

"Water.
Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be

Weight-----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour."

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BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 14:25

thegoddess - tablet is a bit like fudge, but a bit more 'gritty'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_(confectionery)

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