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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

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BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

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heartstart · 28/05/2012 21:35

D Salmon cooked in foil with dill and butter lettuce, cucumber, green pepper, Tom home- made mayo

No snacks today, no processed food, minimal dairy and so far 3l water

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 22:00

Good going, heartstart!

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heartstart · 28/05/2012 22:10

Smile feel stuffed and according to map have only eaten 1200 cals don't think that can be right. Don't nag re mfp am using it as food diary and to check fat protein ratios ok

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 22:28

Who me Shock?

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Theeverexpandingrodders · 28/05/2012 22:35

Today I have had 2 chicken drumsticks for brekkie , salad with feta and mayo for lunch and for dinner 2 salmon fillets with roasted veg (in butter) and about 3 litres of water going too try and eat more tommorow as im starving tonight but going too bed soon and dont want any food lying in my stomach .

androbbob · 28/05/2012 22:40

Hello - struggling a little here - not sure why but scales not shifting. I think I am struggling to eat fat. Been so used to buying fat free stuff for years I am finding it hard to buy the full fat stuff! I will make a concerted effort this week and will write down what I eat so I can try to see where I am going wrong.

Holidays looming in 8 weeks and wanted to be a dress size smaller by then Sad

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 22:44

Good idea to keep a food diary - it really helps to keep you focused.

And you really do need to eat the fat. Honestly!

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Moanranger · 28/05/2012 23:07

My third day & so far so good. Not difficult to drink lots of water in this weather!
Avocado omelette for breakfast, bacon ( direct from farm butcher, but won't have any more!) home made coleslaw for lunch, salad with vinagraitte & lots of minute steak for dinner. Lots of ice tea & a bit of iced coffee. This morning down 3lbs, tho think my start weight an exceptional peak within my normal range, which tends to be 11st, 4-7 lbs more or less.
BiWi - what is the position with cottage cheese - verboten on BC & ok later? Oh, & give me a heads up on getting on WI thread before weekend. Thanks!

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 23:10

Cottage cheese - fine if

A) you can tolerate dairy
B) you buy the full fat stuff

Not sure if it has carbs - check the packaging

Assume WI =weigh in? Just add yourself to the spreadsheet

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MmeLindor. · 29/05/2012 09:20

Am BACK!

BIWI
You have ruined me. Ruined me, I say.

I have little interest in carbs. I did have some chips at the weekend and bread, but I was just blaaah about them really. I ate them and enjoyed them a bit, but tbh, I was desperate to get back to bootcamp. And I was feeling very bloated and stuffed.

I have put on a little bit cause of the liquid lunch on Saturday but sure that will come off again quick.

BIWI
my friend B emailed me to ask for a box of the tablet for her best friend, and one for her worst enemy :o

Thegoddessblossom · 29/05/2012 09:53

Breakfast was smoked salmon 3 egg omelette.

switchtvoffdosomelessboring · 29/05/2012 09:58

androbob, I also have a bit of an issue with buying the full fat stuff. It took me a week into this WOE to pluck up the courage to buy full fat mayo.

The other thing that's weird, is that when I come home from work i'm hungry but the urge to eat four a biscuit and a slice of toast while my dinner is cooking is just not there. And even things I thought I would miss, like chips, I'm not really bothered about.

I'm not loving black coffee without sweetener though, I can do unsweetened with cream or black with a sweetener. I'd start drinking peppermint tea instead if I didn't have a caffeine addiction.

jan2011 · 29/05/2012 10:36

can some1 explain why we need so much fat, im also having trouble with it!

PostBellumBugsy · 29/05/2012 10:53

I believe that fat is actually good for you. We have been indoctrinated to believe that fat is the devil, that it should be avoided at all costs - but actually there is considerable evidence to suggest that this is not true & fat is actually good for you.

Fat contains soluble vitamins. Fat is energy dense. Fat gives the body a sense of fullness / satiety - so you don't want to eat loads of it. Fat does not trigger an insulin response.

For the majority of human existence, we were hunter gatherers. We existed primarily on meat. When animals were eaten, every last bit of them was eaten, not just the lean cuts!!! For hundreds of thousands of years are bodies have adapted to eat animal meat & fat. Our bodies are not adapted to eat Special K, Weight Watchers biscuits, pasta & bread! Wink

NigellasGuest · 29/05/2012 11:13

the full fat stuff is giving me a really good feeling of being full and is helping with my cravings for sweet stuff (which are non-existent at the moment, touch wood it will continue). When I started Bootcamp and had full fat mayo on some salad for the very first time, it felt so wrong... mainly because I was enjoying it! When I finished i felt lovely and full. Much better than eating 2 fat-free muller-lite yogurts which is the sort of thing I was doing before.

BIWItheBold · 29/05/2012 11:18

Fat is satiating. It is also replacing your carbs as a source of fuel.

It is really important. If you try and do low carb and low fat it really won't work. You will end up eating too much protein, and the body converts excess protein into glucose - thus provoking an insulin response, with the result that you will lay down fat.

FAT IS GOOD!

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MmeLindor. · 29/05/2012 11:23

PostBellum
I did a bit of investigating into the whole "healthy Special K" thing a while back. It is all nonsense. this was when I was doing Weightwatchers.

BIWItheBold · 29/05/2012 11:23

For all those of you worrying/wondering about fat, this may be of some help:

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NigellasGuest · 29/05/2012 11:38

Thank you both for the links!

So basically

Saturated fat = good
unsaturated fat = bad
trans fats = v.v. bad

PostBellumBugsy · 29/05/2012 11:46

MmeLindor - the red mist descends when I think about Special K. If ever there was a money spinner, that cereal has to be it. A bowl full of crap, puffed up with air cleverly marketed to make women think they will be slim and glamourous if they eat it! Kellogg's has consistently been the largest advertizer of its cereals in this country, spending roughly £50 million a year!!!!!

When Ofcom tried to draw up new rules to restrict TV advertizing to children of junk foods, Kellogg's led a ferocious campaign of lobbying to stop the restrictions. As well as "educating" journalists with trips to the cornflakes factory, it lobbied MPs, ministers and regulators. One of its public relations agencies Hill and Knowlton boasted on its website how it had managed to change government and Whitehall thinking on Kellogg's behalf. 'A series of meetings with Number 10, the Department of Health, the Food Standards Agency, the Health Select committee, one-to-one briefings with key individuals and an event for parliamentarians' had enabled them to disseminate Kellogg's messages, with the result that 'the campaign resulted in a significant shift in attitudes among core government stakeholders,' they claimed.

When you buy a packet of cereal, one of the biggest costs is not the value of the ingredients, nor the cost of production, but the marketing, which is typically 20 to 25 per cent of the sales value, according to analysts JP Morgan. About a quarter of your money is going not on the food but on the manufacturer's cost of persuading you to buy it. That still leaves room for gross margins on processed cereals that are 40 to 45 per cent, with profit margins around the very healthy 17 per cent mark.

PBB retires to fan herself & let the red mist recede!

MmeLindor. · 29/05/2012 11:55

PostBellum
I recall a big blogger invite going out around the time that I wrote that piece. Strangely enough, I didn't get an invite to go and see the factory. I wonder why :)

I didn't know about the lobbying, but it does not surprise me. It seems that that health recommendations completely ignore scientific based evidence in favour of low-fat, low-cal foods, cause it is simply a HUGE market.

BIWItheBold · 29/05/2012 12:11

As Dr John Briffas points out, if it has a brand name on it, it's probably bad for you Grin

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WillieWaggledagger · 29/05/2012 12:22

i am increasingly impatient with low fat stuff, and the advertising crap that comes with it

muller lights are a pet hate too

our work fridge is full of weightwatchers branded rubbish

MmeLindor. · 29/05/2012 12:53

this is a good read

He says that we should not be eating food if our grandmothers would not recognise it as food.

Moanranger · 29/05/2012 12:53

2bay mentioned the Avidlite web site - yes, it is too good to be true. There are a few useful items on the site - I have bought stuff like carb free catsup, but mostly the products replace sugars (sucrose, fructose, etc) with the polyol pseudo sugars, which are well known to interfere with low carb metabolism of fat.

I think the products are more useful for diabetics, coeleiacs, gluten-intolerance, but if you use them, you won't lose weight.