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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

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BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

OP posts:
vnmum · 03/06/2012 14:54

Hi all. Jan I think the thing with the slip ups is to work out if they are down to emotional reasons or genuine food cravings. I have been doing this woe since feb and all the times I have slipped up have been for emotional reasons, you know, the times when I am fed up or stressed and would have reached for the cake or chocolate before i started on this woe. Sometimes I have given in and just thought, well I want that cake so I will have it, eaten it and realised that actually it wasn't as nice as I remembered and that it didn't make me feel any better so I actually didn't need it, if that makes sense. I have then learned from that and then when the scenario comes around again I have remembered that it didn't taste nice etc and have opted for berries and whipped cream or melted 85% choc in whipped cream. That way I still feel I am getting the sweet comfort thing but with foods that fit in with this woe.
Eventually the emotional need does become less too as you retrain your brains way of thinking.
Providing you are ketoadapted then genuine cravings shouldn't be happening so it is a case of thinking it through to find a cause, ifswim.

Just make sure there are no sweetners or sneaky sugars/carbs in your diet that could be triggering cravings. I sometimes have a protein shake if I am short on time after a gym workout. I had one on friday and then one yesterday lunch time and I have gained 1 3/4 lb this morning. I think it is down to the sweetners giving an insulin response as something similar happened last time I had more than 1 shake in a week, so I now know that I either can't have shakes full stop or I need to find a different brand.

In someways it is a learning curve to find foods that trigger responses or cravings in your body then eliminating them. I was very Angry at the scales this morning because up until yesterday I had lost 3 1/4lbs this week and was in the 9's for two whole days, then the shakes seem to have undone some of that. Water, water, water for me today before WI tomorrow.

Nigellas AF is time of the month Smile

vnmum · 03/06/2012 15:00

manvsfood sounds like you are in ketosis. It can really stunt your appetite. Just make sure you are getting enough fat in your diet for energy needs as that can help with the cravings and feeling funny, also if you are drinking alot of water try adding some extra salt to food for a few days. The drinking and subsequent going to the loo can deplete your body of electrolytes like sodium and potassium and can contribute to not feeling great.
Takeaways - dry chicken tikka etc from an indian (obviously no rice, poppadums or naan) with mushroom or cauli bhaji as a side instead of rice. I have butter chicken with mushroom bhaji but some places do seem to make it sweet. Chinese is slightly harder as they do use sugar in most things.

MNP · 03/06/2012 17:30

Hoping for a better week Jax to follow that one.

On a fishing jaunt to Alderney so no scales/weigh in tomorrow, will behave as much as poss.

notcutoutforthis · 03/06/2012 18:09

manvsfood i found that adding salt really helped me feel loads better, i hope you feel better soon, you have done really well to do a month.

vnmum thanks that post was very helpful. i am eating mostly when i am stressed or bored or agitated, so i know the triggers - and my brain is used to getting the carby foods when it feels like that, so like you say it is training it otherwise. i think the idea of having the dark chocolate is an excellent idea although ill probably end up having a square or 2 a day the way things are at the minute, but still that would be much better than veering way off track and feeling so horrible. how long does it take to be ketoadapted? does your body still remember that its low carb adapted even when you do mess up, or does that mean you have to adapt it all over each time?
yes i think the cravings are going down a good bit with this WOE compared to before, so i just have to keep going and watch out for trigger foods.

slowlyburningcalories · 03/06/2012 19:44

I am falling slowly into a bottle of pimms. sigh. yum

SharonGless · 03/06/2012 20:14

Been working today so had total yoghurt and few blueberries for breakfast, tuna salad with mayo for lunch and just had roast pork shoulder, fried cabbage with broccoli and cauli covered in cheese yummy! Red vin for me

slowly - enjoy its the jubilee!!

vnmum · 03/06/2012 20:23

notcut I am not sure how long it takes to be ketoadapted i'm afraid. I started off by only having 20g of carbs a day so was in ketosis for the first few months. Now I don't worry about being in ketosis as I eat paleo so don't aim for ketosis but still keep the carbs low. Because I also do intermittent fasting my body will go into ketosis on my fasting days so it is keto-adapted because it can easily go into ketosis when needed and it knows it's preferred fuel is fat IYSWIM.

MsRinky · 03/06/2012 20:24

Hello lovely losers. I had a lovely week in Norfolk in the camper van, and got back last night, just as the weather turned. There was beer and fish & chips and crab sandwiches and a wedding which was catered practically entirely with home made cake (the groom is a patissier).

But I was relatively restrained. I enjoyed the cheats I had, but didn't go mad just for the hell of it. I don't feel fatter, but I'm sure the scales will be up tomorrow but I can live with that. Clean protein and green veg all week for me now.

ohforfoxsake · 03/06/2012 20:39

I am still here and following the thread (if not the WOE very strictly this week). Hope I am still on the spreadsheet - I am going to take the plunge and weigh my hefty bulk in regardless.

When I go quiet it means I've gone off plan ... that'll be why I've not posted for er, a week (or two...).

ohforfoxsake · 03/06/2012 20:41

manvsfood - I usually have a tandoori mixed grill (comes with salad) and have half for dinner and save some for lunch the next day.

notcutoutforthis · 03/06/2012 20:54

that sounds great vnmum you must be very proud of yourself

notcutoutforthis · 03/06/2012 20:54

glad you had a lovely week mrsrinky :)

NigellasGuest · 03/06/2012 20:55

thanks for that, vnmum
and I am envious of how in tune with your body you are! I can't imagine being like that.

Twit · 03/06/2012 21:41

Hi to everyone, sorry for not being around, I think I'll be hanging around again, these threads are so good for keeping you going in the right direction. Well done to the losers, hello to the newbies.

BIWI (and everyone) I need your help!
I have been really good up 'til last saturday when I was bought as a birthday treat (not mine) two pieces of cheesecake. We were having a barbeque for my stepdad's birthday and I figured I might have to eat some form of cakey thing and thought it would be ok and allowed myself to have them, with lots of water and a stricter WOE for a few days after.
It was ok and I was fine until friday I ate a few chocolate oatie biscuits as I was so stressed and a bit overwhlemed with the kids behaviour (just normal shit mind you) and trying to deal with the housework and babytwit and the other kids and the washing...... you get the picture.

Now I feel like I've put some belly back on and a bit down TBH and I need your foot up my arse to stop feeling sorry for myself and get on with this WOE.
Sorry for the moan. I'm going to drink alot of water and go to bed and wake up with a happier head on.

LittleFrieda · 03/06/2012 22:10

Hello all. Back from holiday. Had a wonderful time and was good for 3 days and increasingly cheaty for the remainder 4 days: I even had pudding on the last night. Why? I need to go shopping tomorrow and get back on the wagon.

I had beans on toast for dinner this evening, followed by a fist full of Haribo and Phish Food ice cream. Ugh.

FiddleDeFat · 04/06/2012 07:52

Please post on the new chat thread here.

LittleFrieda · 05/06/2012 11:03

Marking place for later. Thanks for reminding us of the rules.

BIWItheBold · 05/06/2012 17:36

Twit - have only just seen your post.

I'm not going to put a foot up your arse, because it sounds like you're doing a good job of that yourself!

These things happen. It's called Life Grin. The key to it is how you deal with it, and then how you learn to deal with similar situations in the future.

For now, drink plenty of water and make sure you're super strict (or rather, I hope this is what you've done since Sunday!).

In the future, you need to ask yourself why you turn to carbohydrates when you're stressed - especially when you know that in the longer term they will only make you feel shit.

Anyway, I hope that you feel better about things now, and that you're back on track.

OP posts:
Twit · 05/06/2012 20:27

Aw thanks, I know I suppose for many of us it is (still) a reflex isn't it? I have a new treat, double cream, a few blueberries squashed and a bit of ground flaxseed. It's not chocolate but as long as I'm still ok with the dairy it'll do. My problems are that I hate cooking, have a limited budget and not much choice as I live in a rural town. I like to be able to grab and eat really, especially with the kids around.
Yes, I have been drinking my water and extra strict.

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