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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

319 replies

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

OP posts:
WillieWaggledagger · 02/06/2012 06:33

Fiddle you are so noble with your spreadsheet - it's fab!

Well for a split second this morning I was in the 9s and then the scales flipped back got the 10s. It's an emotional rollercoaster!

Theeverexpandingrodders · 02/06/2012 08:58

Im under 12 stone woohoo so thats 4lbs off this week so far and thats even with af making an appreance I wa surprised by it I didnt have all the pmt sypmtons I normally get before it appears The only thing I noticed is I was craving meat and more carbier veg this week and didnt give in to my normal first few days of af choc fest !!

jan2011 · 02/06/2012 09:26

ah i think i will miss the spreadsheet out this time round! :) i am looking to lose 5 - 10lb and am more in it for stabilising my eating and health. but im not really weighing myself much as i don't think it does me much good!

well done to everyone so far with all the progress you have all made.

slowlyburningcalories · 02/06/2012 09:26

FiddledeFat yes please to adding me, Monday is a busy day for me so rarely get a chance to weigh until Tesday so often miss the thread. I shall try harder!

And as for the headache this morning - well its at manageable levels - house to myself for another 30minutes though, now THATS bliss!

Jacaqueen · 02/06/2012 10:34

Well done on all the weight loss especially you Ilovemyteddy.

I hope everyone who is on holiday is having a fab time. Be it low carb or not just enjoy.

I have had the week from hell.

DS1 knocked unconscious at school and blue lighted to hospital. Now home safe and well but the police are involved as it was a unprovoked attack by another pupil.

FIL gravely ill in hospital. No sign of him getting out.

My mum is going into hospital for tests. Not looking good.

My lovely car is broken and will cost more to fix than it is worth.

DH is being sued by the driver that caused the accident in which DH's car was written off last year.

But the GOOD news is that the scales are down another few pounds this week. I have lost 20lbs since the start of bootcamp.

I will admit that my food has not been exactly brilliant this week. Not enough water and too much alcohol plus a bit of choc and proper ice cream.

I go on holiday in 4 weeks and I would love to be another 5-7lbs down as that will take me into the 12 stone bracket.

Theeverexpandingrodders · 02/06/2012 10:42

Jac sorry about your awful week hope it improves xx But well done on your weight loss 20lbs is amazing !! I have lost 13lbs in total so far and hope to lose another 2 stone at least !!

TinTinsSexySister · 02/06/2012 11:21

Poor Jac Sad Remember weight loss is the one thing you do have control over, so keep the faith!

Ilovemyteddy · 02/06/2012 12:55

(((Jac))) - what an awful week.

You have done amazingly well to lose 20lbs since the start of bootcamp. Thanks

TinTin is absolutely right about you having control over your weightloss so keep the faith.

MNP - an 8lb weightloss is fab. You're right to set yourself a long time to get to your target weight. I'm also aiming for Christmas to lose the other 35lbs I need to lose. Let's do it together Grin

vnmum · 02/06/2012 13:45

we are having a bbq today. so lots of protein and salad. I am finding this way of eating so easy now. I just don't want any stodgy carbs. We have just got back from a jubilee funday (admittedly walked around then came home as it was crap) but as we were wandering around I saw people eating chips and hotdogs and burgers in white bread and it had no appeal what so ever. I just thought bleurgh, |I don't want to eat that.

BIWItheBold · 02/06/2012 13:55

Jac - sorry to hear about your week Sad

Am doing molto buene on the food front so far - but not on the wine front Grin

Is lovely and hot here (26 degrees) and hoping that lots of walking will compensate for too much wine

OP posts:
2bayumimum · 02/06/2012 15:21

Hi, Im been doing this WOE for nearly 3 weeks now. First two and a half week were great no problems at all, felt really good, well and full of energy. These last 3 or 4 days though, Ive had a gripey tummy, very gurgly, noisy, uncomfortable and bloated. Any one else had this ?? It is my body not liking this WOE. Im on the full bootcamp version with the exception of used protein shakes for the first time on Wed and Thur ( used water and cream ) and am eating Total yoghurt. Not sure what is causing the problem, but starting to feel very fed up now. Any advice anyone can offer will be very gratefully received. Thanks

Ilovemyteddy · 02/06/2012 15:48

2bay - try dropping the yoghurt and see what happens. I was eating full fat greek yoghurt and berries for brekkie for the first few weeks of this WOE (this thread has not been started then so I was eating from a list that I'd seen in an article by John Briffa.)

I was very sick a few times and have now narrowed it down to the berries (which I used to eat regularly pre-LC-ing but which I've obviously now got an intolerance for.) But it could just as well have been the yoghurt, so give it up and see what happens.

Also you are in the stage where your body is using your stored fat for energy (rather than the usual weight loss of water retention in the early stages of LC.) It might be that which is causing you issues, and will probably go away if you carry on.

Perserve if you can and see what happens. I used to get a really gripey tummy before this WOE and have had nothing like it (apart from the berry thing) since starting LC-ing.

Very Envy of you BIWI and your 26 degrees. It's 26 degrees here too - degrees Fahrenheit!! Bloody freezing!

SharonGless · 02/06/2012 20:24

Dd aged 4 danced in local jubilee celebrations today

B : bacon egg and mushrooms
L : pizza express chicken nd bacon salad
D: chicken curry and cauliflower rice

Yum yum ( two glasses of Vino tinto but not mentioning them )

smokinaces · 02/06/2012 21:38

Managed two kids party teas, a hen night and a bbq this last three days. Had a couple of sausages, but not a single piece of crisp or bread or sausage roll. Mega chuffed. Here's hoping it shows Monday.

smokinaces · 02/06/2012 21:38

And I have turned down cake no less than twelve times in three days. That's how much my life has changed - I would have eaten all twelve cakes before.

heartstart · 02/06/2012 21:40

Hi jac sorry you're having a bad week, hope next week better.

Today I have had

B kippers and tomato
L avocado and venison
D green curry from recipe thread, stir fried Brussels, green beans
Total and strawberries

ohforfoxsake · 02/06/2012 22:52

The last week had passed me by with a whopping 5 pounds back on (there was wine. And beer. And cocktails.)

Am still Smile about it all and consider low carb being my normal WOE as opposed to what I have consumed which has been very much holiday food and drink!

studyingstudying · 02/06/2012 23:09

Hello everyone again,

This thread moves awfully fast! Its almost impossible to keep up.

I have completed days 1 & 2 of bootcamp, but have had a bit of a headache today. I really hope that goes soon. I'm craving sugar badly, but hope that stops soon too! If I can just keep going tomorrow then I'm sure I'll get the hang of it all...

Wish me luck! I'm going to bed now to avoid temptation...

Theeverexpandingrodders · 03/06/2012 08:23

I gave in to the af cravings last night and had a chinese and some fudge back on it today though as my stomach hurt so badly after it all I def feel so much better when not eating all that crap .

heartstart · 03/06/2012 10:35

Morning all - studying keep going its worth it.. It does take a while to get use to because it's different to what has been drummed into us over many years.

I am off to see flotilla. Have had frittata and got packed lunch of scotch eggs think I will have to lay off water as loo access no doubt limited but will make up when get home.

jan2011 · 03/06/2012 11:04

for those who are well established on this WOE, how long did it take you for you not to be having any slips every so often? im finding ive slipped again yesterday (2 or 3 times now this week) and its really discouraged me. im back on track again today, but i don't want to be yo yoing all the time as that will probably do me more damage than if i just had a few grains every day.
im hoping il get better and better as the days go on and won't be slipping as much.

theeverexpaningrodders i feel ya about feeling like crap after eating crap last night - im there too...your stomach just doesn't feel right! more determined now...

Jacaqueen · 03/06/2012 11:09

Thankyou everyone for the kind words. You are so right about having control over my weight. That has really struck a chord.

Food was back on track yesterday and today is all planned out too.

NigellasGuest · 03/06/2012 13:26

jac sorry to read your bad news - yes keep with the WOE - the control thing is really valid, I had bad news about DH a while back and somehow it felt like the right moment to stop drinking alchohol as opposed to rrelying on it even more! I rrealised that subconsciously it felt like it was the one thing in my life I could actually control! (lots of other bad things I couldn't control were happening too). And I haven't drunk any alchohol since - it was my decision and no one else's. Keep channelling and using that feeling for losing weight, too!

NigellasGuest · 03/06/2012 13:27

p.s. rodders or anyone else, what is AF? I feel a bit dim asking....

Manvsfood · 03/06/2012 14:39

Had a crappy few days with eating, not cheated or veered off course at all, but I'm actually struggling with eating. I just don't feel hungry and I'm not really enjoying meals ATM - if anything, I feel sick on and off through out the day. It's bringing me down a little and I've caught myself staring longingly at biscuits once or twice BlushAngry.

On the plus side I'm down another pound, makes it 5lb this week and 13lb overall I think.

DW has suggested we try a takeaway tonight after a long day at the Natural History Museum yesterday and as a bit of a change for me, but I haven't got the slightest idea what to go for that is low carb - I'm pretty sure my usual selections contain more sugar than I've consumed in the past month! Does anyone have any suggestions?

Off to try and force myself to eat something little and guzzle more water!