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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

319 replies

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

OP posts:
teaandthorazine · 29/05/2012 13:21

When I first started this WOE, I spent a lot of time trying to find low-carb versions of high-carb food - I bought sugar-free sweets, low-carb tortillas (which I never used), made low-carb muffins, the bloody oopsie rolls etc etc etc. Now, with the exception of cauli rice, I generally don't bother. I can manage perfectly well without, and I don't trust sweeteners, polyols, etc. If I really really want something carby, I'll have it, and worry about it later.

But... today I ordered eggs florentine in a cafe, thinking 'Goddamit, who cares, I'm going to have the bloody bread.' I got halfway through the slice and thought, 'This is pappy and tasteless and pointless' and left the rest. The eggs and spinach were delish though Grin

Agree completely about feeling irritation with low-fat foods, and advertising. I spend an inordinate amount of time shouting at the telly these days...

teaandthorazine · 29/05/2012 13:29

Though... I feel I should 'fess up to a quarter-pint of non-alcoholic lager this lunchtime. In my defence, I'd just found out that my camper van has failed its MOT and is going to cost ££££ to fix - grrrrrr!

Thegoddessblossom · 29/05/2012 14:02

Lunch: a boiled egg, coleslaw, 2 slices of salami, tuna, lettuce and cheese, all from the protein salad bar at work. Am stuffed to the eyeballs.

1.5 litres so far.

BIWItheBold · 29/05/2012 14:18

I don't bother with any low carb substitutes either. (With the notable exception of the shirataki noodles). I don't miss it and have got into the habit of eating meals without bread/potatoes/pasta/rice.

I did have a terrible Atkins Daybreak Bar habit, but I wasn't convinced that they were helping me lose, so I have knocked that on the head as well.

I have had two gin and slimline tonics since I started this WOE on 6 February, and no other artificially sweetened drink has passed my lips since then.

OP posts:
WillieWaggledagger · 29/05/2012 14:28

i will admit to the occasional diet coke, but sweeteners taste really weird and artificial now (because they are!)

i agree re low carb substitutes - i've made low carb brownies and they were unsatisfying and just made me crave the real thing. it seems similar to how low fat diet foods try to trick the body and it's not having any of it

PostBellumBugsy · 29/05/2012 14:33

I've tried the Atkins bars & am not keen. They have the strangest aftertaste that tends to linger for ages and the list of ingredients is long & scary looking. If I'm going to an offsite meeting, or on a plane I will take one in case I get really desperate - but I'd never choose one willingly.

I use one teaspoon of Splenda (aspartame) in my breakfast. I know it isn't great, but I've found a high fibre breakfast I can eat every day without it getting boring - so I'm willing to compromise on the aspartame.

Other than that, I try to keep it as close to natural as I can. Frankenfoods worry me - not just for myself but the DCs too.

scrablet · 29/05/2012 15:00

Will cough bottle derail my BC? I have a cough to go with my cold that is rattling the windows and have had to take medicine today. It has glucose and fructose in it, and probably loads of other nasties.

BettyBathroom · 29/05/2012 15:04

Cough medicine doesn't work. I wouldn't take cough medicine wether I was low carbing or not. Take a couple of painkillers if you are in pain.

PostBellumBugsy · 29/05/2012 15:06

Try steam inhalation scrablet. Most cough medicine is worse than useless.

heartstart · 29/05/2012 15:39

Ok after one day, yes just one, of no dairy, no processed and 4.5l water I have lost 3.5lb

Today b scrambled egg with tarragon
L salmon with coleslaw

mummyduff · 29/05/2012 16:17

Well done heartstart!

I have had a rubbish day, work & school stuff, no time for breakfast so had snack of pork scratchings around 11am.
Just getting round to lunch which is chicken salad and will try and eat something later for supperSmile

NigellasGuest · 29/05/2012 16:36

heartstart what exercise do you do?

jan2011 · 29/05/2012 16:45

stressful day for me slipped off wagon!

heartstart · 29/05/2012 16:46

Thanks it's hard isn't it, I think organisation is key easier said than done. Nigella none I amble with dog 2 school and back which totals4.5 miles a day but nothing else. Toying with aqua aerobics and zumba

BIWItheBold · 29/05/2012 16:48

What happened, jan?

OP posts:
mummyduff · 29/05/2012 17:33

ok just had 4 pint of water all in the last hour.

Think I may have slipped out of ketosisConfused as been feeling hungry again the last 2 days and as you know, I didnt loose last week either. Keep hoping it just because Im into week 6Hmm

BIWItheBold · 29/05/2012 18:17

Mummyduff - are you eating enough?

OP posts:
smokinaces · 29/05/2012 18:36

Ok, fess up. Who in the South East is on the diet and put their lunch in the staff room today - 2 sausages, handful of cherry tomatoes and olives for lunch. Made me smile when I opened the fridge to see someone else obviously embracing low carb where I work!!

Been good today. But hot, and PMT - which means scales wont move for me this week, never do that time of the month. My muscles ache all over as well from this weekend so dont think that helps.

mummyduff · 29/05/2012 19:13

BIWI, I think perhaps not, I have just refreshed myself on the rules of bootcamp.

I am pretty sure I have not been having enough fat, so for my late supper it will be pork, green beans with butter and then some greek yog.

Will plan better for tomorrow x

2bayumimum · 29/05/2012 19:38

Thanks for the heads up Moonranger, I did wonder if it was too good to be true. Atleast I haven't wasted any money ordering any of it, and came so close too ! Now I am on hybrid BC ( full BC Monday to Friday and then BCL over the weekend ), can I have sugarfree quash and use sweetners, or are they banned too ? If I have to stay on the straight and narrow that is fine, as am definitely loosing weight and shaping up, also seeing big boost in energy, alertness and surprisingly...sex drive !! My DH is particularly pleased about the last point...:-)

Theeverexpandingrodders · 29/05/2012 19:51

Im really hungry tonight think im going too boil an egg and hope the hunger dies down a bit !!

jan2011 · 29/05/2012 19:57

ah biwi what happened was i got stressed out by lots of life scenarios, overwhelmed myself, and turned to the wrong foods instead of solving the problems! i was eating lunch with a friend and it went downhill after that. how long will it take to get back into ketosis? i am annoyed as i felt i was doing quite well, and was feeling good! now i feel the effects of carb overload, i will probably have trouble sleeping tonight!

smokinaces · 29/05/2012 20:29

How do we know if we are eating enough fat BIWI?

My food today:

1 egg scrambled with butter and 3 small cherry tomatoes
salad with mayonaise and ham and cucumber
frittata with bacon, mushrooms, shallot and courgette in butter
Olives

water, tea - and some carb free evil diet lemonade when out and about.

Am I getting enough fat? I'm happy with the veg/protein mix (though need to try and not have ham and bacon in the same day) and the butter/mayo are not low fat, but not sure if I need to do more (like eat a packed of pork scratchings daily....)

Thegoddessblossom · 29/05/2012 21:39

Tea was a mackerel fillet with stir fried leeks and courgettes and steamed broccoli, very nice. Greek yog with a few raspberries and blueberries, and a splash of double cream.

WillieWaggledagger · 29/05/2012 22:30

we had mackerel fillet too goddess - cold in a big salad with a mayonnaise/oily dressing

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