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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

319 replies

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

OP posts:
NigellasGuest · 28/05/2012 14:28

have lost half a stone through bootcamp but have stopped losing for the last 5 days - I wonder if I should go on to bootcamp light or stick at boot camp?

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 14:30

See my post on the other thread, NigellasGuest.

STOP PANICKING!

If you're happy on Bootcamp, then you can stay on Bootcamp for as long as you like.

OP posts:
NigellasGuest · 28/05/2012 14:32

sorry sorry have checked other thread - will check again

deep breath .... mustn't panic..

BUT.,. I WANT SOME TABLET and I want it now! that looks like my ideal treat - I'm a big fudge fan and i can't believe I'd never seen or heard of Tablet until now!

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 14:36

Look - just reading about it will add half a stone back on to you Grin

OP posts:
heartstart · 28/05/2012 14:39

Nigella if it helps tablet is gross, the grit (sugar) makes your tongue go funny, then you get a sugar rush headache and then your teeth feel furry then fall out Grin Does that helpSmile

NigellasGuest · 28/05/2012 14:40

I wish I could say that helps but sadly I don't believe you Grin Thanks

heartstart · 28/05/2012 14:40

Checking in so far today

b -coffee with cream. egg mayo and lettuce wrap
l - sardines and coleslaw (keeps repeating on me!)

2 litres of water

heartstart · 28/05/2012 14:44

Its true, (well maybe its a bit exaggerated re teeth falling out but if you ate a lot they would) Anyway you have done brilliantly so hold on to that

ohforfoxsake · 28/05/2012 14:44

Thanks everyone Smile a mid-week break in Centre Parcs for me. My youngest is now old enough to run with the pack so it looks like it might be something of a holiday after all! Grin

Water is very, very important - not just about the flushing of ketones and the scientific stuff but for quashing cravings. Often i'd eat but was in fact thirsty, or thought I'd fancy something sweet, a glass of water sorted it. Def notice the difference when I haven't had enough.

PostBellumBugsy · 28/05/2012 15:21

Waves at everyone still keeping the faith.

Brilliant piece on water BIWI, thank you for that. Just motivated me to glug down another glass. Amazing how quickly you can forget to keep knocking it back.

Shimbo · 28/05/2012 15:39

Just wanted to say I am no longer feeling hungry - woohoo! I am about to start my week 3 of Bootcamp tomorrow. I was feeling very hungry during my first week but now feeling great Grin.

Jacaqueen · 28/05/2012 15:44

I think my lap top is about to die so just marking my place on this thread.

Livelongandprosper · 28/05/2012 17:00

Off to down another pint of water having read that post from BIWI.

BIWI Teeny tiny niece is now 26!

QueenStromba · 28/05/2012 17:11

I drank more than 5 liters of water yesterday and am likely to just about match that again today. Don't forget that if you are drinking a lot of water you need to replace your electrolytes either by putting salt (preferably lo-salt for the potassium) on your food or by using something like this - don't worry about the cost, it last for ages. I had obvious signs of major electrolyte imbalance yesterday (headache, drowsiness, feeling really thirsty despite drinking lots and craving salt) so I'm thinking about just putting small amounts in all of my water rather than having the occasional drink with lots in. People on a low carb diet based on natural foods rather than processed are likely to need extra electrolytes because they get very little salt from food if they eat and because the kidneys get better at flushing out water along with the electrolytes in it.

smokinaces · 28/05/2012 20:07

Is anyone else getting the 7 week itch??

I've given into a large diet coke. So hot and bothered and fed up of tea, herbal tea and water.

But I feel bleurgh. I could dive into a giant family bag of kettle chips and eat the lot right now. And Macds French Fries.

I know I dont want to really. And my period showed up yesterday which could explain it. But eurgh.

Off to make some salt and pepper celeriac crisps. After scoffing cheese.

teaandthorazine · 28/05/2012 20:13

OK, so am wondering about this appetite suppression thing. I had a protein shake with flax and a spoonful of coconut oil this morning at 6.30. I've just now (13 hours later) had a small piece of Camembert and a couple of marinated anchovies.

I'm just not hungry. Is this bad? I can't help thinking that I'm screwing things up by not eating but at the same time what's the point in eating if you're genuinely not hungry? I've read the stuff on IF which is interesting, though I'm not sure I could call it fasting because it's unintentional, iyswim...

I can't get '3 meals a day' out of my head! Anyone else finding they just don't want to eat?

moonshine · 28/05/2012 20:14

Are some of us synching as my tmi is obviously imminent!

I posted on the other thread but week 2 and only a .5 loss which is slightly disappointing but am trying to look at it as weight consolidation ready for the next bigger loss (I hope!). But is it possible it's because I am old ageing/perimenipausal that weight loss will inevitably be a lot slower or does this WOE override this to some extent??

teaandthorazine · 28/05/2012 20:15

Grin at our cross-posts smokin. I definitely find I get carb-cravey around TOTM.

moonshine · 28/05/2012 20:17

Tea - if you are in ketosis then that will kill your appetite dead. But eating fat is definitely more satiating (although can't pretend I'm still not very hungry at certain times of the day Confused).

2bayumimum · 28/05/2012 20:21

In looking for Low Carb recipes on Facebook, I came across this website, which seems to be a mecca for Low carb foods...is it too good to be true, or can us Low carbers now dare to hope we can buy these products with abandon...this is the link

www.avidlite.co.uk/acatalog/Low-Carb-Brownie-Mix--142g-bag-ALB067.html

Am crossing my fingers that these products get the thumbs up...?

teaandthorazine · 28/05/2012 20:22

I thought that Moonshine, but I fell off the wagon fairly spectacularly yesterday so am almost definitely not in ketosis today! Maybe it's just the weather...

heartstart · 28/05/2012 20:33

Hi can anyone recommend a make of protein shakes for quick breakfats

doradoo · 28/05/2012 20:44

Not weighed-in today - have a bank holiday weekend here and all over the place with mealtimes/sleeping etc. So back to usual tomorrow and will weigh in first thing.

Enjoying lots of barbies and sun here (Germany) but have been bad with too much wine and some illicit caburys fingers. I also had a (yes - just the one) chip today and it was minging - first potato in 6 weeks and can't say I want anymore.

Still 5 days to go the family wedding and need to lose the belly bloat a bit.

Here's hoping for the morning!

Thegoddessblossom · 28/05/2012 20:46

I left the bulk of my water intake until yesterday evening, and drank 5 pints between 8-10pm. Which meant I got up 4 times in the night to wee!!!! Not recommended.

Tea was 3 bits of roasted chicken with stiffened courgette mushroom and leek. I deffo don't forget to eat! However, and this is one of the major benefits of this WoE for me compared to previous lo fat WoE, I can go for much longer between meals, 6-7 hours, no problem, whereas before I had to eat every 3 hours or I got the shakes and felt faint.

Thegoddessblossom · 28/05/2012 20:47

Stiffened???? Stir fried.... Grin

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