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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

319 replies

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

OP posts:
slowlyburningcalories · 30/05/2012 13:25

NMP I usually have angry mood swings, severe heartburn to the point of 24hours a day nausea which wakes me and massive bloating. AF surprised me this morning so this WOE has improved PMT symptoms massively. Although my AF has a funny sense of humour, so far has arrived for first time after DD on Christmas Day, Valentines Day and now my Wedding Anniversary.

I have had a week of utterly utterly diabolical nights with DD and today fell asleep at my desk. I have therefore treated myself to a full fat coke in teh hope it will cool me down and boost me up. Sorry BIWI but I needed it

Re Tablet - gorgeous divine stuff - gets send every christmas from up Norf but have politely requested that no mention of it is made at other times of teh year in case I try to order online. drool

NigellasGuest · 30/05/2012 13:33

Idiot Proof Diet book arrived from Amazon this morning - hoping to get lots of little hints and tips for keeping on the right track!

MmeLindor. · 30/05/2012 14:25

Stuggling today a bit, not sure why. I really want to have a bit of cake that my mum's friend so helpfully brought over yesterday. Am resisting.

Guess I have to get through the first few days again.

jan2011 · 30/05/2012 14:31

mme sorry you are struggling - just take it one step at a time and you will get there - one meal at a time, think of your fave meal or snacks on this WOE and have them to help yourself back on track

i am back on track today, but am going out for dinner tonight so a bit nervous. im just going to ask them to cook my fish without the sauces they use and give me the veg and salad instead of the potatoes. i hope i don't look weird to all my family. i may get an irish coffee after as a treat if they are getting dessert - this would be whiskey and cream - this wouldn't be that bad would it?

PostBellumBugsy · 30/05/2012 14:39

mmelindor, stop & think about the cake for a minute.

Have you eaten cake before?

Do you know what the cake is likely to taste like?

How long will it take you to eat the slice of cake?

How will you feel after you have eaten the cake?

Will your day be better or worse for eating the cake?
Will anything change because you've eaten the cake?
Will the cake make you happy?

When food is tempting me, I try to analyse why that is. For me, I am usually a bit bored or discontented & for some absurd reason, I think that food will make me feel less bored and discontented - which as we all know is rubbish!!!! If I stop & assess my feelings & think about what I'm about to eat, usually I can easily persuade myself not to.

Hope that makes some kind of sense! PBB is collected by the men in white coats so they can take her safely back to where she can't try and influence people with her insanity!

MmeLindor. · 30/05/2012 14:52

PBB
That does make sense.

I haven't tasted the cake, and I don't even think I will like it (pecan cake and I don't like nuts). If I resist, I will feel all good and fluffy. If I eat it I will be angry with myself, and then eat more stuff I shouldn't eat, cause I have already ruined today. And tomorrow I will be cross that I haven't lost weight.

Ok, that sorted it out :o

Jan
That is the strange thing - I am not actually hungry. Just craving something sweet.

FiddleDeFat · 30/05/2012 14:56

I've noticed that there are a few new names on this thread who are not on the spreadsheet.

If you want to be included (and it is by no means compulsory) then you can either add yourself to the spreadsheet, or post dates/weights here and I'll sort it out. You have the option of posting your starting weight as 100 and we can count the pounds down from there if you don't want to give actual weights.

SharonGless · 30/05/2012 15:06

Hi just a very quick post to say well done to everyone. We have been camping with NO WIFI and I survived ;)

Stopped for lunch on way home and there was bugger all on menu so had roast beef and vegetables. Now LC friends which would be worse - roast potato or Yorkshire puddin?

I will fess up later but overall have stayed on the WOE plus had a fab break with DH and DC. just what we needed

WillieWaggledagger · 30/05/2012 15:19

PBB those are good questions to ask yourself, thank you

bravo MmeL!

another thing i consider is 'is there lots of cake [or other food item] in the world and have i ample opportunity to eat it in future?'

(not that i'm necessarily going to eat it in future, but it's not like cake is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!)

QueenStromba · 30/05/2012 15:22

I would say that yorkshire pudding is worse because it has wheat in it, at least potatoes are vegetables.

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 15:58

I think Yorkshire puddings are lower in carbs

OP posts:
mummyduff · 30/05/2012 16:28

Hi all, the heavens have opened in Northampton and we are in the middle of a big stormSad

Have had a much better day today.

Left over meat for Breakfast
Bacon and cheese salad for lunch
Pork, mashed sweed and green beans with lashings of butter

Im on my 7th pint of water and feel so much betterSmile

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 16:41

Mme - you're feeling the need for something sweet because you cheated! Unfortunately, that's what Bootcamp is all about - to break the desire for sweet things.

slowlyburningcalories - I'm sorry, but you really didn't need that Coke, or the carbs, or the inevitable blood sugar spike that will result. Poor argument. Drink more water or have a cup of tea/coffee - but DON'T DRINK FULL SUGAR SOFT DRINKS - THEY ARE THE WORK OF THE DEVIL!

Seriously. If you want to lose weight, why do it to yourself?

OP posts:
Thegoddessblossom · 30/05/2012 17:12

Jan - yes you can eat fat and protein just not at the same meal as carbs, although she refers to it all as fat to simplify matters. There is a list of foods you can eat with either fats or carbs.

She does start with a phase 1 that is very similar to boot camp but it is only 5 days.

MmeLindor. · 30/05/2012 17:16

Sorry, BIWI.

Am back on track now, drinking lots.

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 17:46

jan - she still advocates fat ... Grin

OP posts:
Whippoorwhill · 30/05/2012 18:04

SharonGless - yorkshire puddings are lower in carbs but if you are a little wheat intolerant (as so many people are) then they will make you bloat and crave bad stuff and therefore roast potatoes are a safer bet if you have to have something carby.

teaandthorazine · 30/05/2012 18:21

I'm sitting in my office working my way through a very dull pile of paperwork - and I have just been informed that there is a huge plateful of krispy kremes in the fridge next to me.

Am trying to do PBB's analysing thing but it's not working.

HELP ME.

MNP · 30/05/2012 18:25

Evening :)

heartstart · 30/05/2012 18:30

Tea do not do it - -you have been one of my inspirations on here please don't

Top tip - a slice of cucumber in water rather than lemon or lime is lovely and makes a change when srinking your 4th gallon of the day

B mushroom frittata
L lettuce and guacamole and smoked salmon
D duck not sure what with...any suggestion

3l water

QueenStromba · 30/05/2012 18:37

I've got some duck breasts that I plan to marinate in ginger and tamarind paste and have with stir fried veg.

heartstart · 30/05/2012 18:43

Csounds v nice queen haven't got any tamarind but will use that next time

slowlyburningcalories · 30/05/2012 18:45

DH brought home chocolates for our wedding anniversary today......

I do want to lose weight and I will lose weight and I did drink my water today but sometimes, just sometimes...

Though DH also brought home plum tarts, he was being lovely but forgot 'the diet'!

Manvsfood · 30/05/2012 18:47

Lets be honest, Krispy Kreme's are never as nice as they look and you won't enjoy it really, it's not worth it tea!

I'm beginning to lose confidence in my scales. I weighed myself this morning and I was another 2lb down, 4lb so far this week and 12lb since I began this WOE last Monday. The week before that, I signed up to myfitnesspal and I'm over a stone down on that weight. I guess the majority of what I'm losing now is water and this will eventually taper off and leave me depressed and wanting to stuff my face with cakey type goodies... right?

Ilovemyteddy · 30/05/2012 19:31

PBB yy to what you said upthread ^^

Sharon A holiday with NO WIFI?

Manvsfood - you are right about Krispy Kremes not being as nice as they look. But I hate you (not really) for losing so much weight so quickly! Bloody Men! DH has lost 23lb 'just cutting out crap'. Pfft! But well done to you!

I looked a plate of cakes straight in the eye today and did not give in to their 'charms'. Another shite day at work but I'm 0.6lb away from losing 3 stones so I am being strong.