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Bootcamp Week Seven - super slim, shapely and sylph-like!

319 replies

BIWItheBold · 28/05/2012 07:39

It is perhaps a good way to start the week by reminding you all of the rules. I'm sure you know them off by heart, and I'm sure you're all following them to the letter Wink:

Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Veggie Bootcamp Rules:

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable.
But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And Bootcamp Light Rules:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

And here is the list of allowed veg - remember - the aim is to eat mostly from those that are 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

OP posts:
NigellasGuest · 29/05/2012 22:34

Had pan-fried chicken tonight BIWI, and I managed to eat some of the skin as it did turn out nice and crispy as you said! DH and DCs also enjoyed this.... I put some courgette into the pan for the last 5 mins or so, which was nice. They all had new potatoes with this... I had celeriac mash.

Pudding - blackberries and Total. Then a few more blackberries and some more Total. With double cream. Blush

heartstart · 29/05/2012 22:44

Went to someone's house for dinner

Grilled courgette, halloumi and asparagus starter

Lamb tagine, said no to cous cous, wine, homemade rhubarb ice cream and strawberries

Total water today 5l

MmeLindor. · 29/05/2012 23:13

Forgive me, BIWI, for I have sinned.

Opened a bottle of wine to celebrate buying a house today, and had more than the one wee glass I had promised myself.

Back on BC tomorrow. Promise. Wink

heartstart · 29/05/2012 23:21

Congratulations

MmeLindor. · 30/05/2012 00:09

Thanks heartstart. Your dinner sounded great. And well done in the weight loss

teaandthorazine · 30/05/2012 07:05

Hmmm, I need to get back on the wagon properly. Definite carb creep over the last few days. We had a Chinese last night and even though I ordered chicken chop suey and bok choi for myself, I ended up eating duck in pancakes and a couple of mini spring rolls too. Almost without thinking tbh!

Weirdly though, I'm the lightest on the scales I've ever been. Not going to get lulled into false sense of security though!

heartstart · 30/05/2012 07:13

Another 0.25lb off - going to stop weighing daily but had to check hadn't done damage

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 08:19

Well done, Heartstart! And that meal sounds lovely - carbs wouldn't have been too bad I don't think. Rhubarb is very low I carbs, and strawberries aren't too bad - just depends how much sugar was in the ice-cream/how much of that you had.

Brilliant news Mme! Wine definitely deserved. Just be extra strict for the next few days - don't want to undo all your good work

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Thegoddessblossom · 30/05/2012 08:19

Well I had porridge for breakfast.

I've really missed it. I had it every day for years.

I think I am going to go back to Harcombe, where you can have some carbs (porridge oats, brown rice/pasta) as long as you don't combine it with fats/proteins in the same meal. It's still no processed anything. Which for me will mean I eat porridge for breakfast and then low carb lunches and teas as I have been on this thread. In fact, it's pretty much the addition of porridge back into my life and that's it! Grin

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 09:28

How near to/far away from your target weight are you, thegoddess?

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NotMostPeople · 30/05/2012 09:52

2lbs gained yesterday are now down to 1lb according to the wii fit today. Finally TOTM arrived. I'm not sure what to do about GP's referral to a gyni now as I had barely noticeable PMT. Ordinarily I'd be irritable, angry and very very depressed, DH - the most patient man in the world says that he and the dc's usually have to tread on eggshells with me for four days before. This time nobody noticed - including me. I really hope it's down to the WOE partly because it's a nice simple solution rather than taking hormones etc and partly because it'll be another good reason to stick with it.

heartstart · 30/05/2012 10:47

NMP you could delay it until another cycle has completed then you would be able to compare. Just ring the hospital when they send you appointment.

Didnt eat the rhubabrb ice cream with raspberries as am trying to do BC to the letter this week given my inability to follow a simple set of rules problems last week but it did look lovely and is was one you don't need a ice cream maker for so I thought I might experiment in a few weeks time using splend but I like unsweetened rhubarb best anyway so would be v small amount.

NigellasGuest · 30/05/2012 11:21

I'm starting to worry about how much carby stuff the DCs eat, especially DD1 who is addicted to carbs and sweet stuff and all the rest, and has been a cause for concern for some time now. She won't listen to me though Sad

NMP - I should be feeling pre-menstrual now, but so far so good. This is also the first cycle since starting this WOE and I'm monitoring with interest! I would definitely postpone that appointment if you can Smile

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 11:24

How old is DD1, NigellasGuest? I wouldn't talk to her about it, I'd just change things. I bet she won't notice most of the changes.

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PostBellumBugsy · 30/05/2012 11:31

NMP, quite a few polycystic ovary suffers follow low carb & notice a huge improvement in their symptoms, so although I'm not sure there is any scientific evidence, there does seem to be alot of anecdotal evidence for hormonal stabilisation with this WOE.
For my own part, my periods are lighter & the horrible acne style breakouts I'd get once a month have completely disappeared!!!! That alone is enough to make me stick with this WOE. Smile

NigellasGuest, I've made quite a few changes to the stuff I buy for the DCs. I use less refined carbs and tend to go for more brown rice and more veg. I'm encouraging more greek yoghurt at breakfast, boiled eggs or a sausage rather than giant bowls of cereal and I use recipes from the Elana's pantry website for gluten free brownies / biscuits. I work full-time, so don't always manage to be a paragon of low carb domestic virtue, but I've definitely cut back their refined carbs without them even noticing.

DoUntoOtters · 30/05/2012 11:35

Of all things to fall off the wagon for...wine? chocolate? pastries? No. A bowl of Rice Krispies. Sad They wooed me, they did. Blush

Back on the straight and narrow today hopefully. Although having to bake for three different Jubilee cake sales is testing my will-power somewhat.

WillieWaggledagger · 30/05/2012 11:41

yes my period pains are all but gone now, and no hormonal breakouts either, it is wonderful

ohforfoxsake · 30/05/2012 11:55

Just marking my spot so you don't drop off my list.

An not sharing what I have eaten/drunk the last few days. Wink

ohforfoxsake · 30/05/2012 11:58

Thegoddessblossom - I feel the same. In fact when I was drop-down tired last week I did this and it worked a treat. I used skimmed milk to keep the fat down and some frozen blueberries. The rest was on track with this WOE. Of course what had really happened was I hadn't planned well and wasn't eating enough veg. It is good to have an element of flexibility though.

vnmum · 30/05/2012 12:07

PBB Do you give your DC some carbs at every meal? I am also trying to reduce DC's carb intake, especially DD (4) who would eat sweet crap all day if I let her. With the warm weather we have been having protein and salad in the evening with nuts and dressed in oil. The DC will eat this but granted, they don't always eat all their salad. They don't ask for potatoes or anything though and don't seem to miss it. They do still have cereal for breakfast as DS (6) won't eat eggs and cereal is quick and generally they will have sandwich/wrap for lunch. I do wonder how much you can safely reduce the carbs/grains for young children. After reading so many books on this woe I am convinced that grains and sugars are toxic to our bodies and would love for the DC to not have any but when they won't eat loads of veg/salad I don't want to malnourish them, DS is like a rake anyway (in a healthy way, with a little six pack and biceps too Smile)

PostBellumBugsy · 30/05/2012 12:16

vnmum have a look at www.elanaspantry.com. There are loads of grain free recipes. She does still use natural sweeteners, but generally I think her recipes are more healthy than any of the pre-packaged store bought stuff.

I don't cut out all carbs for the DCs at all - just the heavily processed & refined ones. I don't always succeed though. Smile

Thegoddessblossom · 30/05/2012 12:33

BIWI - I have stayed the same weight as on a low fat diet - I fluctuate between 9.5 and 9.3. The difference on this WoE is that I can eat more and go for longer between meals. I do think I have lost some inches though interestingly.

I eat my porridge with hot water. So quick and easy.

jan2011 · 30/05/2012 12:36

thegoddess do you eat fats on the harcombe diet or is it high protein with a little carbs?

Ilovemyteddy · 30/05/2012 12:57

DH came home with some chocolate for me last night because I am having an absolutely shite time at work. To his credit he did buy 80% cocoa choc and to my credit I only ate one square. It was lovely^ Grin

NigellasGuest · 30/05/2012 13:01

DD1 is 15, going on 21. I don't know if any of you have teenagers but it's very difficult - for a start, she will often come in and cook pasta/baked potato/roast potato herself if I'm not there. She likes lots of veg but her faves are peas and sweet corn - interestingly 2 of the most carby vegs! What's more she is an incredibly fussy eater bordering on the phobic concerning some foods - she has had counselling and hypnotherapy to try and beat this but it's not worked. Sad

DDs 2 and 3 (13 and 12)yrs however are pretty amenable.

DH on the other hand has Parkinsons disease and wants to put weight ON.

I think i'm going to forget the lot of them and run for the hills with my full fat mayo and billion litres of water! Grin