Mounjaro October starters - Thread 8!

[HansHolbein]

Carry on losers!

@TheChosenTwo OMFG you look amazing! Great tan! Our stats are very similar, and the PCOS. Absolutely life changing and I am so happy your cycle is regular again now. I'll also be on it long term, if not for life. I'm looking at MJ as treatment for metabolic dysfunction, so as soon as I stop, I presume all the shit will come back. I really am so happy for you.

@DeltaAlphaDelta79 Wishing you the very best. Please do keep popping back!

@Fizzleawayyy1 Hope London was great! I am very excited about the new meds coming out. I know it will take a while for the prices of these drugs to come down, but, we now have plenty of life long solutions. We never have to go back to how we were ever again. Massive relief. Hope your poor foot is ok.

@Taxiparent Incredible, well done you. Keep us updated in maintenance.

@Histoscientist You are doing sooooo well. So glad everything is moving for you. Might invest in some berberine... your loss this month is nuts - amazing nuts! I am so sorry you've struggled recently, sounds really tough. Yes, I sleep like shit. I've never been a good sleeper. I'm a night owl, and I always start stirring about 0430am. Not nice. In the grips of my anxiety last year (it still does rear its ugly head), I don't even think about tomorrow. I just do today. If it's REALLY bad, I just concentrate on the next hour. Just getting through the next hour. I'm glad you are at home at resting. Do whatever your body is telling you to do. We are all here for you.

@EVK Relieved that everything is still under control without MJ! Gives me hope at least...

@SexyFrenchDepression Great username! Best of luck on your journey. It will be the best thing you have EVER done!

@Mincepieinthesky are you ok?
@lapuf everything ok?
@Bluenose1966 all ok your end?
@fourquenelles you ok?
@lickycat you ok mate?
@surreygirl1987 been a while! You ok?
@recklessgran Always thinking of you.

I am much better. Much better. Thank you all for your reassuring words. Think I've put on a good few pounds. I am weighing once a week but don't know what it is, my husband is making a note of it. Looks like my BMI dropped under 18.5, not good. Back up to 19 now. I'm 164cm and about 8st. Focusing on about 90g protein a day, something I haven't done for a while. Probably why my hair is utterly shit right now!

I don't know if we are allowed to mention the C word... CHRISTMAS! I fucken love Christmas. What is everyones plans? Where are you going? Are you staying at home? What are you eating? More importantly, what are you wearing? The last few years, I have just worn baggy black ugliness. I have loads of really nice stuff to wear, so I am excited about that.

We bought a little run around car at the weekend for my son, who is going to start learning to drive soon. It's the cutest, a Fiat 500! I really wanted a baby blue one, but don't think the would have forgiven me. It's a nice grey colour. He thinks it's completely sad of course, and is a 'girls' car. I think it's super cute!

I'm just waiting for some breading dough to double, then going to clean out the car, do a bit of work... school pick up. Then I have the post school hours of 1500-1900 of doom to look forward to!

Love to all x

@HansHolbein thank you! I have found the 2025 threads which is helpful now, otherwise I'd be feeling super jealous of everyones amazing losses😂 I am down 1.8lbs since Saturday so a good start! I weigh twice or 3 times a week usually as my PT logs everything on averages. I find if so strange not thinking about food all the time now.

I love Christmas but feeling slightly anxious now as I have 3 bottomless brunches this month alone, I am going to stealthy do the alcohol free options hopefully but I am worried how to manage alcohol. I havent told the people I am going with yet other than my boss. In fact she is the only person who knows in the world!

@HansHolbein lovely to hear from you. A few mins before you posted I was just about to ask how you are getting on. Thank you for your advice on anxiety, that's really good advice to just focus on today. I think that's been my problem, I keep worrying about work, stressing about phoning up, having time off rather than relaxing and focusing on now. What makes it worse is the issues were work related. My managers are understanding but I also know its very short staffed and I'm a manager myself so putting myself under pressure. I really struggled on the weekend, went food shopping and had to avoid the other shoppers because I felt panicky. I've never experienced this before. I think I have post traumatic stress or it's a continuation of flight fight response. I've always been a poor or light sleeper but it's a lot worse when I'm stressed. Lately I'm waking 3.30-5am everyday and can't get back to sleep at all, my mind is too alert.

I'm so happy for you gaining a little weight, especially if you are feeling better about it.
Christmas - I always go to my family, last year I made a healthy low fat cheesecake and it tasted crap, so I won't do that again! I also tracked and only had 1000 cals. This year I'll eat what I want, which won't be much anyway as in still on mj.

4LBS ON!! That's the biggest jump up iv had in ages! not really worried as I know it will be off again by the weekend but ouch!

@Histoscientist Sorry you are feeling so stressed! I haven't found that my stress response has changed but I have heard about it on the wider board that it can increase others anxiety... some people come off it because of it.

Could you switch to wegovy and see if that helps?

@HansHolbein thanks for thinking of me. I am not doing well on Wegovy tbh and am thinking of switching back to Mounjaro but with Juniper rather than Boots as I can't afford over £300 every 4 weeks.

I am not getting the same food noise suppression and have put on a couple of pounds in the last week. When it takes me so long to lose a pound I don't want to go down that slippery slope again!

Hang on... I totally missed there was a page 28 😂

@HansHolbein London was great, love spending the day with my daughter.
Plenty of options coming out. I would actually like to try ret when it comes out. A friend of mine is taking black market triz - I have told her how bloody stupid that is but its her life!

Also ... I LOVE CHRISTMAS!! we are hosting this year and my nan is coming for the first time which will be nice. 🎄
I actually prefer the whole of December to just christmas day as I do lots of nice things with the kids for the whole month. Already have it all booked in and Iv already bought the kids a good amount of presents/stocking fillers each. 🎁
Christmas tree comes out on the 1st December as tradition.

Sorry to hear wegovy isn't working as well!

How much is MJ if you switch back?

With Boots its £306 for a 4 dose pen. I have just checked with Juniper and they only do Wegovy so I need to find a cheaper supplier of Mounjaro - my research for this afternoon!

OMG. That pricing is insane. I haven't looked at the price since it went up but wow.

Just ordered through Mediexpress for just over £250 for a pen. Still high but if it works it'll be worth it. I don't drink, smoke or go clubbing so this'll have to be my vice!

I don't know what dose you are on but look at www.monj.co.uk juniper, boots etc are some of the most expensive!
I wouldn't be paying those prices.
@Fizzleawayyy1 thank you. I don't think it's mounjaro as I've had it 13 years ago and it was worse, that was way before WLI were even a thought. Maybe the low cals aren't helping though but when I'm stressed I go off food usually. I think losing weight and M has actually stabilised my mood swings and irritability but ive had a lot going on for over a month so its bound to affect me eventually.
I may drop my dose slightly. I want to lose another 3lbs but I've found 8.5mg quite high and I'm not having lunch until 4pm and just a coffee or protein shake in morning so could be too high with the lower bmi. Just a few doses left in current pen then another 10mg pen and 1.7mg wegovy. May try the W before the next M to see if its better with energy amd hair loss.
Don't worry about the 4lbs like you say you were out and about so eating more. Its probably water retention anyway x

@Histoscientist racing heart and anxiety are definitely be menopausal symptoms-
it can be very distressing (I’ve experienced this and from nowhere - no particular cause) and Im sorry you’re feeling like this. If you’ve had a stressful incident though, that’s probably what’s giving you anxiety- as you know it will pass and maybe MJ is having an impact on your stress response- it’s hard to say. It’s hard not to worry about being stressed !! Maybe analyse all the things you’re taking - did you say you’re using fat metabolisers with high caffeine? That could be having an impact possibly. I know I react badly to too much caffeine, which is why I decided not to try them. Be as kind as you can to yourself and when you find yourself spiralling round the thought track maybe try to get out for walk or do some kind of exercise (I find that helps me)!It’s a horrible feeling and I’m sorry you’re struggling right now. Xx

£250 isn't to bad! I dont drink or smoke either but I do get Botox and my nails done every 5/6 weeks so they are my fixes ha ha

@Histoscientist Hopefully you feel better soon. Maybe drop down to 7mg? or 7.5?
After I posted, I started my period so I think that had something to do with the 4lbs too as I weighed this morning and iv already dropped 2lbs!

Day off work today and I have a check up at the dentist. I hate my dentist as its in a city centre but its NHS so I cant change!

Hi EVK thanks for your advice and support. I need to get into normal activities like I'm not even cleaning the house or dishes, just resting due to lack of sleep and low energy.
Yeh I don't take the fat metaboliser everyday, haven't yesterday and actually got worse with IBS symptoms started yest evening. I'm careful with caffeine, I only prob have 2 instant coffees a day, 80mg caffeine each, the fat metaboliser has 150mg caffeine, similar to a ground coffee, but I have half and if I do I only have one more instant coffee at lunchtime/afternoon. I'm actually fine with caffeine and have a nespresso at home, but barely use it as I have protein shakes.
I'm 43 so not menopausal but possibly peri, I do think it's stress related but would've thought the stress response would have settled after a few days, it's been over a week now. Still awaiting GP response.
Hope you are doing well with everything?

Well done on the 2lb loss! Yes i think ill drop to 7.5 on friday.
Yes I get water retention too and my period is due today or tomorrow.
It is a full moon today, isn't it fascinating how women's cycles often sync up. Mine always falls on the full moon or close, I say its because I was a witch in a past life, I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if I was, I'm single with a cat and i enjoy living like this 🤣
Has anyone moved onto wegovy?? I have a 1.7mg pen in fridge and thinking of trying it before my next mj pen and leaving that for later.

@SexyFrenchDepression Amazing, well done. It's a revelation not to think about food. Before MJ it was all I thought about, 24hrs a day. I'd be lying in bed thinking about what in the kitchen... and I had to eat it. Lovely to have total food freedom. Re alcohol, you may find that you're not fussed with it. I was never a big drinker but I can take it or leave it now. I've also noticed it makes me feel like shit the next day - might just be me though! I didn't tell anyone apart from my husband and immediate family initially. I didn't know how it would affect me (we were all scared of the dreaded side effects - which I've had none of, by the way) or how people would react. A year later, I am open about it, within reason. Really depends who it is of course. If it's a nosey Parker, they can fuck off! Let us know how you get on!

@Histoscientist Thank you for thinking of me. I totally understand how you are feeling. If I remember correctly, you are a manager in the NHS? I was too... emphasis on was. It was an incredibly hard time, so I really have empathy for you. Impossible workload, clinical v non clinical wars all the time, too many patients... hard not to bring your work home with you mentally. With regards to pressure on your team; that just isn't your fault. That is the chronic tale-as-old-as-time bullshit that is the NHS. Nobody listens to the people in the thick of it (you). You can say what you need over and over again, but nothing changes. It mostly runs on goodwill, which is why the higher ups take the piss. Not having adequate staff to manage the organisation properly really is not your problem. I just really understand. You must just do each day, or each hour. Be selfish. Do what you need to do. Sleep when your body tells you to sleep. When my anxiety was bad, I used to call it 'feeling activated'. It was like I had those long whisker things that insects and bugs have, know what I mean? Everything was intense and easily triggering. Going out of the house would be very triggering, driving was the worst. Not know what was coming next. When I was like that (and people may disagree), I just had to bunker down and stay inside as much as possible. I only did what was necessary. I'd be having the food shop delivered. Absolutely no unnecessary trips out of the house. I know that panicky on edge feeling very well. It can be triggered at any time. Awful. I utterly understand. Take each day as it comes, NO plans, say no a lot. Remember, nothing lasts for ever. It can't. That means nothing good lasts for ever, and nothing bad. The world is always changing and moving. This shitty time will pass and it will get better. You've got through 100% of your darkest days so far. Keep talking to us. So many people understand.

@Fizzleawayyy1 Ok - that's annoying. It will come off quickly though, just rein it in over the next few days. You know what to do! So fucking annoying when it happens, though. It's like 2 steps back, 2 steps forward. Argh! Glad you had a lovely time in London. Oooo, dare I ask how she's getting on with it? Your Christmas plans sound delightful. Lovely. Good luck at the dentist - I avoid the place as much as possible! Grim!

@fourquenelles I am so sorry to hear that. I've seen the same kind of feedback on the MJ Reddit subs. Honestly, I'd just go back to MJ. You know it works. Glad you managed to make an order. The prices are absolutely disgusting. I am so glad we started when we did. So many people won't be able to start now. So sad. Are you close to GW yet? Sorry, I can't remember.

@EVK Lovely words of wisdom xxx

@HansHolbein not near GW yet about another 28lbs to go! Onwards and downwards.

@HansHolbein has anyone ever mentioned how eloquent you are and how emotive and empathic you are? The way you write and explain feelings from back whenever, is very accurate. Everything you wrote is exactly how I feel and how I also felt in my early 30s when i experienced the worst panic attacks and breakdown. Thankfully, ive grown since then, but i still have the odd moment when everything piles on top. I agree, everything is triggering so I need to be alone and safe at home and yes it's like being on constant alert, you are right like insects with antennas tuning in.
Yes you are also right about the state of the NHS and I'm in the position of having higher managers above and staff to look after below, we've most 5 staff since summer, a third of our staffing and they haven't been replaced yet. It's a lot of pressure.
You'd be very good at writing a story! I don't know if you have thought of writing before? You could be the next JK Rowling!

Emotional intelligence lacks in many out there in the world, but I see a lot of it in this group and its nice to be around similar souls. Isn't it strange how people flock together, even those who have never met or seen each other, yet they feel familiar when writing and at times I feel i can sense people's light and energies. Wonderful xx thank you all for your kind words and support ♥️

@Histoscientist sorry that you haven't been feeling that great recently.

My experience with MJ was that I just felt great, my big fear was that would go when I came off MJ....and it has...I feel back to where I was somewhat. Sluggish, mentally 'heavy', less clear of head/more foggy.....arggggghh. I even started to look at restarting options today!!

Perhaps it is the time of year, perhaps it is because I have been eating less 'clean'...but I do feel bleurghh....and more anxiety is creeping back in again....and motivation is poor....

I really enjoyed the 'lightness', 'brightness' and 'clearness' that I had whilst on MJ - it kicked in quite unexpectedly and long before I lost any significant weight...

I am on HRT, and I have my bloods on Friday so I will see what that shows....and I will try and chat to the GP about it all when I have my review of the bloods......

In the mean time focus!!!

Hydration - big factor for me!!, Nutrition - protein v. carbs, Exercise etc!

I feel very 'picky' today, which is pissing me off as I took 12.5mg this week🙄
Iv ate 2 caramel fredos so that's 200 calories.

So Iv just made roasted peppers and Gyozas... at least now im full!

How have you done being off WLI? Have you maintained?
You're right about this time of year and SAD affects a lot of us. I'll have to take extra vitamin D, there is a small amount in my multivitamin.
Yes hydration, but when it's cold many don't want to drink cold water!
I'm good with protein thankfully.
Hope you feel better soon xx

I love gyozas and it does sound a small meal with the red peppers. 2 caramel freddos won't derail your day, they're tiny, I bet they were worth it though!
I think the cold and dark weather is affecting our SAD and so appetites. Its also been a full moon yesterday and its controversial, but I do feel it affects people.
Earlier, I was parked outside a shawarma kebab shop..not had takeaways for a year, other than a few times when my dad has bought it in when visiting..I was tempted but was good and stayed away.

Fizzle..you are hard-core with 12.5mg, I couldn't tolerate any dose other than 10mg when I hit bmi 25, I was an exhausted zombie and couldn't eat much and moved quickly down from 15mg.

I had a GP appointment, got some sedatives to help me sleep, well its promethazine an anti histamine but the GP forgot to sign it, so I won't get it until tomorrow. Just going to the post office, GP and food store for a few items wore me out! Had a chat to the GP about mounjaro and she said she's heard a lot of good things about it and that I've done really well with my weight loss. I mentioned that it's resolved my inflammation and ibs from day 1.
I've also been booked in for blood tests next week for an update hba1c test and cholesterols, so will see if the almost 4 stone loss has changed my health. I do feel better regardless.
I also did a female hormone test, it's from amazon and had to basically jab myself to fill blood into a tube and sent it off via royal mail. Was quite an easy process to be fair. Bought it year and half ago and forgot about it in my medicine cupboard as has to be done day 2-3 of menstrual cycle and has to be sent mon-thurs only. So with working and period falling on weekends until last month, I'd not had a chance to do it.

Hi @HansHolbein and all,
been busy with the saga of my kitchen but just popping past to say all well with me. I now have kitchen units, anmtico floor and quartz fitted but due to fitter issues no sink or hob🤔 My own fault for assuming workmen knew what they were doing!!! Can’t wait for the various tradesmen to be out of my life😂
Looking forward to Christmas, for first time in 20 years I won’t be cooking Christmas dinner as we are going to my sisters. Ungrateful cow that I am I am concerned it won’t be as nice as mine😉, but really looking forward to not cooking it. Have bought a couple of dresses off Vinted, a red and black Sosandar dress for Christmas Day. I must have a short memory as I now feel like I have been my current weight for years, get a shock when I see old photos.
Still maintaining at about 9st 3lb on 3mg currently, though I still use a pen of a higher dose to last longer, which is against Eli Lilley guidance but if not I couldn’t justify cost.

@HansHolbein - so glad you are doing so well. Now that I have maintained for so long I am only getting weighed once a week, whereas before I was obsessed with doing it daily. I am a big believer in high protein and strength training to help our bones into old age, nice position to be in to be able to afford to put a bit of weight on. As I am 60 next year I find I am more concerned with health and longevity than I have ever been, probably cos when I was younger I took it for granted.

@Histoscientist i was the same as you, not sure of your age but I went on HRT in my early 40s (getting my Dr to prescribe it over 15 years ago is another story) and everything improved significantly. If you look at menopause literature the NHS now say HRT is beneficial, the research that put people off has have been found to be incorrect. I have a friend in her 80s who attributes her lovely skin and hair to HRT. Unfortunately even now too many people are put on antidepressants etc instead of HRT. I listen to short Yoga Nidra meditations on YT, find them really good for relaxing me, despite me previously thinking they were woowoo….
One of my other obsessions is listening to menopause podcasts. In fact it was because of 2 USA menopause Drs I follow that I first heard about Mounjaro as they were recommending it for their patients.
I think this time of year with the dark nights does affect our moods and have heard lots of stories over the years about men in particular being angry/ narky around full moon. Probably explains why my husband and I aren’t speaking at moment, obviously not my fault😂
Looking forward to final of Celeb Traitor tonight, never watched it before and love it.

@Histoscientist Aww thank you for your lovely words. Yes, I've heard that from time to time! I do write every day in my journal, if that counts lo! I think, because I've traveled to the deepest, darkest places of hell in my own head (I'm not special, haven't we all), that I just try and remember that every single human being on the planet is going through shit right now, or has done in the past and really try and be sympathetic to that. It's hard at times, but compassion is so important to me. The world would be so much better if all of us just remembered that love makes the world go around. I am a hypocrite, as I fail to do this myself sometimes.

Mumsnet is a royal pain in the arse a lot of the time, and sometimes I strop off for a bit; but it does truly shine like you say, when you find pockets of support such as this.

Glad you're feeling somewhat better. Did you pick up the sleeping stuff? Please keep us updated with the blood results - will be really interesting.

@HappyNewt Argh, sorry you're struggling a bit. I am convinced that MJ (for some people) alters our state of mind, in a good way. One of the reasons I won't stop is that my mental health has never been so stable. How did it go with the GP?

@Fizzleawayyy1 Mmm gyozas, yum! I had a week like that a couple of weeks ago, very annoying. Comes and goes, doesn't it!? Also think the weather fucks with us. Talking of Freddo's, how fucking thin are they these days. They used to be fat and juicy!

@Bluenose1966 Love the kitchen chat and a wonderful update from you. Thank you for your support. New outfits sound divine. Your maintenance is an inspiration as usual! Don't blame you for using the higher dose pen, Eli can get in the bin as far as I'm concerned!

I'm away this weekend on my own, which has been lovely. I bought an enormous cup of tea from Costa today and sat with it in the park, which was really nice. Looked around the charity shops (is it just me or have they got really expensive?!). I am currently butthurt about Vinted. The last 3 times I have bought something, they've either lost it or sent me someone else's stuff - so I am giving them a wide berth for now.

I'm going to start writing my lists for Christmas this evening - I know, very sad.

Lots of love to all x