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Death linked to Mounjaro

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suki1964 · 08/11/2024 01:18

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6jg6nw2zeo

I am in no way knocking anyone who is using these drugs, seriously if I could use them I would. However Im throwing this up here because these drugs have only been tested and deemed safe on a small study - those who's BMI is above 30.

Susan McGowan looks into the camera smiling - she has blonde hair in a short bob, black-rimmed glasses and a light grey t-shirt

Nurse's death linked to weight-loss drug Mounjaro approved on NHS

Susan McGowan from North Lanarkshire died two weeks after taking the drug tirzepatide, brand name Mounjaro.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6jg6nw2zeo

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Pumpkinforever · 11/11/2024 15:49

Surely the food industry is a fault too? We are surround by fast food, takeaways, deliveroo et al, aisles and aisles of convenience food in supermarkets. There are ready meals galore to choose from, if you wanted you would have to prepare anything from scratch.people. And before anyone pipes up with a holier than thou I make all my food from scratch you don’t!

SunQueen24 · 11/11/2024 15:50

Pumpkinforever · 11/11/2024 15:49

Surely the food industry is a fault too? We are surround by fast food, takeaways, deliveroo et al, aisles and aisles of convenience food in supermarkets. There are ready meals galore to choose from, if you wanted you would have to prepare anything from scratch.people. And before anyone pipes up with a holier than thou I make all my food from scratch you don’t!

The food industry is almost wholly responsible IMO.

Pyjamatimenow · 11/11/2024 16:31

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 10/11/2024 20:46

Mounjaro can affect the pancreas as it directly affects insulin regulation so can play more of an active role in the function or dysfunction of the organ. I don't think this should be denied and should be available information so users can make a fully informed decision about the medication they use.

It can also exacerbate asymptomatic pre existing pancreatitis. For example, my partner was admitted to hospital after his second dose of 2.5mg mounjaro for pancreatitis and he was told to stop taking this forever as well as anti-inflammatory drugs unless under close medical supervision but due to a long history of alcohol misuse in his younger years, it was coined that he has probably had a low, pre-existing pancreas inflammation that was made worse by the medication. This was treated on both an inpatient and outpatient basis.

Weightloss in general affects the gallbladder and pancreas and can lead to gallstones which again block the ducts to the pancreas.

Obesity can also lead to pancreas related illness as well as every other organ.

Because there are different kinds of pancreatitis, such as acute, alcohol induced, gallstones related, and chronic, and in some cases it can remain asymptomatic, then in the case of the nurse who has passed away I don't think it's incorrect to document that the medication was a contributing factor but unless she had her pancreas function checked prior to starting this medication, which is unlikely as it doesn't require these checks in the UK, then I don't think it's safe to say for sure that this was the sole cause of her pancreatitis.

Most helpful post on here. Can you point to any info that says it can inflame the pancreas? I thought gall stones were a risk only from the weight loss not the drug itself

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 16:37

NoTouch · 11/11/2024 14:53

And what about the impact on 60-70% of the population that are not obese? Or the elderly that it would be dangerous to lose weight? Or babies and children? Or animals?

They all also drink water!

These drugs are a turning point for obesity, but never in public water.

That’s why I said no time soon and not these drugs but some kind of iteration.

I think it would have to evolve from an injection to get the reach that it should.

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 16:38

SilenceInside · 11/11/2024 14:57

It's science fiction, it's not a serious idea worth debating. A more realistic future is one where the NHS can prescribe injections for anyone who needs them at prescription rates, so free for those that qualify.

I wasn’t offering it as a debating topic.

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 16:41

I don’t know if this has already been mentioned but there’s a report in the Times that 16 people have been treated in hospital with side effects and 12 of them are in the same Scottish health board area as Susan McGowan (the deceased). I wonder if the supply chain has been looked at.

Relaxedandchilled · 11/11/2024 16:47

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 16:41

I don’t know if this has already been mentioned but there’s a report in the Times that 16 people have been treated in hospital with side effects and 12 of them are in the same Scottish health board area as Susan McGowan (the deceased). I wonder if the supply chain has been looked at.

that’s interesting, and where she bought it. If it was somewhere reputable. When I discussed going on it with my doctor she warned me to buy it from a reputable source, as so many suppliers popping up and they are worried about what some people are injecting themselves with.

BruFord · 11/11/2024 17:26

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 16:41

I don’t know if this has already been mentioned but there’s a report in the Times that 16 people have been treated in hospital with side effects and 12 of them are in the same Scottish health board area as Susan McGowan (the deceased). I wonder if the supply chain has been looked at.

@ViolaPlains Ah, now that could be credible. We’ll have to see what is revealed.

Novjaro · 11/11/2024 17:30

SunQueen24 · 11/11/2024 15:50

The food industry is almost wholly responsible IMO.

Yep, totally agree with this. Why aren’t they being told to not fill food with so much rubbish, especially ready meals?

It’s similar to the solution for all the plastic and cardboard problem is to bring in recycling, rather than stopping the companies using so much of it. It’s not rocket science is it…

Lentilweaver · 11/11/2024 17:33

Agree the main issue is the food industry. But I think that horse has bolted. Much like climate change.

SilenceInside · 11/11/2024 17:33

Thanks for clarifying @ViolaPlains

SunQueen24 · 11/11/2024 17:35

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 16:41

I don’t know if this has already been mentioned but there’s a report in the Times that 16 people have been treated in hospital with side effects and 12 of them are in the same Scottish health board area as Susan McGowan (the deceased). I wonder if the supply chain has been looked at.

Can you link the article at all? I can’t find it

Relaxedandchilled · 11/11/2024 17:50

SunQueen24 · 11/11/2024 17:35

Can you link the article at all? I can’t find it

Just google? It comes up right away.

Death linked to Mounjaro
ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 17:54

Relaxedandchilled · 11/11/2024 17:50

Just google? It comes up right away.

I’ve done a share token link so you shouldn’t need to register etc.

Relaxedandchilled · 11/11/2024 18:11

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 17:54

I’ve done a share token link so you shouldn’t need to register etc.

Thanks.

SunQueen24 · 11/11/2024 18:23

Relaxedandchilled · 11/11/2024 17:50

Just google? It comes up right away.

I did Google 🙄

SunQueen24 · 11/11/2024 18:23

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 17:54

I’ve done a share token link so you shouldn’t need to register etc.

Thank you

CustardCreams2 · 11/11/2024 20:36

Not the full article, but some snippets as it’s behind a pay wall.

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NoCarbsForMe · 11/11/2024 20:52

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/11/2024 04:19

It's a personal decision.

Sort of.

I'm of the opinion that healthcare shouldn't be a business. No advertising, no insta-people, no discount codes. I think risk should be discussed with an actual HCP whose job is your health, and public health, not profit.

It makes me very uncomfortable to see the discounts and online pharmacies. I've had very important discussions with HCPs about whether or not to take various medications, for various medical issues, all of which are a balance with me and the HCP talking about risk, side effects, benefits, LT and SH gain and loss.

What's happening right now is not that.

This.

ViolaPlains · 11/11/2024 22:30

CustardCreams2 · 11/11/2024 20:36

Not the full article, but some snippets as it’s behind a pay wall.

If it’s your account you can share instead of copying and you get a share token which means other people can access it.

Relaxedandchilled · 12/11/2024 05:58

NoCarbsForMe · 11/11/2024 20:52

This.

I’m not sure I agree, many of us can talk to our doctors, I did, before starting this, I understand getting an appt can be difficult though, and that just goes to prove you can’t deprive people of life saving medicine due to the fact it would take so so many gp resources to manage the demand,

TheMoonismadeofcheese · 12/11/2024 06:09

NoCarbsForMe · 11/11/2024 20:52

This.

Totally agree.

Wednesdaysdrag · 12/11/2024 08:21

12 cases in the same area is a point of interest. But it seems a bit confused. It says 16 cases of people hospitalised, 12 in that area. So is the 16 UK wide? As 16 doesn’t seem that many compared to other claims of people being admitted in droves to A&E

Or is it 16 in Scotland or UK wide, with gall bladder or pancreas issues? And 12 with, specifically, gall bladder/ pancreas issues in that health area. Or is it 16 and 12 all admitted with different issues.

Also, it seems these 12 are spread over several months. I don’t think the fact that 12 in one health area over several months will point to a supply chain issues or batch issue. Unless all have had it subscribed by the same provider. But I would have expected far more cases, if it was that provider and wide spread. I don’t think there’s many providers that only supply to their immediate area. So if it was a supply chain or batch issue, the health area wouldn’t be that much of a focus.

I would have also expected an announcement of a batch number telling people not to use that batch, if they traced 12 people being ill and one dead to one batch or one provider.

It’s all a bit vague. I did see part of an interview on This morning that suggested she had gall stones, but wasn’t clear whether she knew this before she started taking MJ.

Also she was severely dehydrated when she got to hospital. The doctor on the segment on This Morning, was talking about how important it is to keep hydrated when taking these medications. And it’s odd that the press has gone quite on this since the interview with her nieces and the doctor.

I haven’t seen all of it, though, and will look tonight.

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