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Continuing Mounjaro... Part 20

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 16/08/2024 23:44

Huge thank you to ObsidianTree for all prior threads, and congratulations on your hard earned losses, you've been a huge inspiration to us and we're excited for your maintenance updates.

FYI to any newbies please visit previous threads, they are full of invaluable advice from our wonderful community, the threads are full of gems of information and loads of peer support.

Pointers for newbies:

Please note: Mounjaro will only be be prescribed initially if your BMI is above 30. If you have additional health conditions you can get the medication with a BMI 27. (Prediabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol or heart problems)

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Promo codes :
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Linking Wallywobbles site, as theyve very kindly compiled all threads so far, pointers for newbies, weightloss tracker, links to discount codes, tips and tricks and high protein recipes.

Site with all the info :
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WitchyBits · 20/08/2024 04:12

Trigger warning ( don't read ahead if queasy/delicate)

Over half way through week 2 and I'm sat up with the most horrific upset stomach ever. I swear to god right now I would 200% rather be fat than have to go through this for a second longer. It's been 9 hours of intense diarrhoea every few seconds and about an hour ago when I was convinced there was nothing left inside me, I started projectile vomiting. I don't know if it's the delayed stomach emptying thing or what? I would have bet my savings that I had nothing left inside me but boy was I wrong.

Funny enough after the first weeks brilliant loss, the last 4-5 days I've been gaining weight so this could be a digestive blockage that my body needed to clear out? Could also just be a stomach upset. Either way I never ever ever want to go through this again. Degree going to increase my fibre etc.

Paperwhite13 · 20/08/2024 06:46

That sounds awful @WitchyBits. I hope you're feeling better.

Did you eat anything different this week compared to week one? I find that I get a v-upset stomach if I don't eat 'clean'.

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GoodLuckBabe · 20/08/2024 08:40

Oh god @WitchyBits thst sounds horrible. How are you feeling now? Hopefully you're finally getting some sleep x

Ifyounevergiveup · 20/08/2024 08:57

@WitchyBits this definitely sounds like a bug to me: there’s been a couple of similar posts recently so maybe the back to school bugs have started early? Either way, hope you feel better over the next couple of days: your post made me say oh my God out loud! Virtual get well soon flowers from me 💐

BellaCriesAndThatsAlright · 20/08/2024 09:06

Morning everyone. Just got back from a weekend camping. I've gained 0.8lb since last week which isn't too bad considering I spent the weekend eating camping junk food and drinking wine. I did my jab a day late yesterday so will be getting back on track now. My weight loss for August is going to be pretty small but given it's the summer holidays I will be delighted to lose anything at all.

katinthehattt · 20/08/2024 09:15

My random 4am thought for today.

I wonder whether our body shapes play a part in how quickly we lose weight on MJ?

I'm an apple shape so I store fat around my belly. I've lost 9lbs in just over 2 weeks (which I'm happy with, although aware it might just be that initial quick loss phase) and I notice that it's really shifted from my mid section - hurrah.

I also saw a comment from somebody saying it seems to be particularly effective on mid section fat. Might not be grounded in truth but I did wonder if there's a correlation between where you store your fat and how fast it goes? Anyone seen anything on this?

ItsAlrightDarling · 20/08/2024 09:19

katinthehattt · 20/08/2024 09:15

My random 4am thought for today.

I wonder whether our body shapes play a part in how quickly we lose weight on MJ?

I'm an apple shape so I store fat around my belly. I've lost 9lbs in just over 2 weeks (which I'm happy with, although aware it might just be that initial quick loss phase) and I notice that it's really shifted from my mid section - hurrah.

I also saw a comment from somebody saying it seems to be particularly effective on mid section fat. Might not be grounded in truth but I did wonder if there's a correlation between where you store your fat and how fast it goes? Anyone seen anything on this?

I’m an apple shape and sadly most of my weight loss so far has been from my (already fairly slim) arms, legs and face 😏

katinthehattt · 20/08/2024 09:23

@ItsAlrightDarling oh, bugger. Sorry to hear that.

If only it were possible to choose where it came off from :/

SwimingSummer · 20/08/2024 09:32

My fat has gone from tummy and boobs mostly, I’ve lost 4-5inches off my waist it’s incredible and my visceral fat on the scales I have says 10% and green rating for first time since I’ve owned these scales. So no idea how accurate it is but it’s definitely sucked it out my middle.

BellaCriesAndThatsAlright · 20/08/2024 09:40

My fat seems to have come off quite evenly so far. I gain all my weight around the middle so still have a massive gut unfortunately. This is probably why noone has noticed my weight loss yet.

SnacklessWonder · 20/08/2024 09:48

Not dropped any weight at all since Friday, scales staying put even though I am in a calorie deficit.

A nice new side effect today (to be fair I've had none other than metallic taste) is a surprise period. Given I've not had one in nearly three years....

Secretslimmer · 20/08/2024 09:51

BellaCriesAndThatsAlright · 20/08/2024 09:40

My fat seems to have come off quite evenly so far. I gain all my weight around the middle so still have a massive gut unfortunately. This is probably why noone has noticed my weight loss yet.

I’m very much apple shaped and when I previously got down to the weight I’m now at (without MJ) I lost half my boobs. This time it’s mainly come off my middle, and boobs still intact though I’m fairly close to weight target. Seems somewhat miraculous - I’ll always have a bit of a pot belly but still. I’ve been a pretty slow loser fwiw - though a weekend of eating way more than normal (including a 3 course meal, won’t try that again) actually seems to have pushed me out of my stall

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 20/08/2024 09:52

SnacklessWonder · 20/08/2024 09:48

Not dropped any weight at all since Friday, scales staying put even though I am in a calorie deficit.

A nice new side effect today (to be fair I've had none other than metallic taste) is a surprise period. Given I've not had one in nearly three years....

I'd book a GP appointment just to double check as as far as I'm aware it doesn't affect your periods?

WitchyBits · 20/08/2024 09:59

I do think it could have been a bug but that the mounjaro has contributed to it. My DH had a very mild dicky tummy on Thursday or Friday, not really nothing to write home about ( certainly not like mine has been!). I woke up very slightly off on Sunday morning and I kind of haven't felt right since but not bad enough to impede my daily stuff. Then the toilet trips started last night. I was sick for the last time about 7.30 am and I could clearly taste a very specific flavour of yoghurt that I'd eaten on Sunday for breakfast. So I am going to say tummy bug that's made worse by the delayed gastric motility. I suppose is been sat there fermenting or something 😳🤢.

Oddly after a cup of coffee I feel great now. Tired but I actually quite enjoy the empty feeling. I lost 5 lb last night.

I am definitely going to be taking it VERY easy with food. If anybody has any suggestions I'm open to them all, it's very unlike me to get so sick with a big, after raising 4 kids I've pretty much become immune to most of them over the years 😂. Normal I'm right back to eating normally.

ItsAlrightDarling · 20/08/2024 10:04

WitchyBits · 20/08/2024 09:59

I do think it could have been a bug but that the mounjaro has contributed to it. My DH had a very mild dicky tummy on Thursday or Friday, not really nothing to write home about ( certainly not like mine has been!). I woke up very slightly off on Sunday morning and I kind of haven't felt right since but not bad enough to impede my daily stuff. Then the toilet trips started last night. I was sick for the last time about 7.30 am and I could clearly taste a very specific flavour of yoghurt that I'd eaten on Sunday for breakfast. So I am going to say tummy bug that's made worse by the delayed gastric motility. I suppose is been sat there fermenting or something 😳🤢.

Oddly after a cup of coffee I feel great now. Tired but I actually quite enjoy the empty feeling. I lost 5 lb last night.

I am definitely going to be taking it VERY easy with food. If anybody has any suggestions I'm open to them all, it's very unlike me to get so sick with a big, after raising 4 kids I've pretty much become immune to most of them over the years 😂. Normal I'm right back to eating normally.

I had something very similar a few weeks ago and I’m sure it was a bug as one of my children had it too. Not sure if the MJ affected the severity of the symptoms for me, mine were similar to my DCs. It wasn’t pleasant anyway 🤢. Glad you’re feeling better

katinthehattt · 20/08/2024 10:41

@Secretslimmer hoping to go the same way! I also don't mind if it takes a bit longer, hopefully it'll help to keep it off in the long run 🤞

SnacklessWonder · 20/08/2024 10:49

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 20/08/2024 09:52

I'd book a GP appointment just to double check as as far as I'm aware it doesn't affect your periods?

I've done some digging and lots of people have reported changes. Its most likely because I am on the POP pill, which stopped my periods. MJ affects the effectiveness of the POP pill, hence you can't use it for contraception, so I am assuming it's that.

WoolyMammoth55 · 20/08/2024 10:54

@WitchyBits I had the same in the early hours of this morning! Weirdly I am sure it's MJ, not a bug. I had sulphur burps (first time ever! - so horrible!) right before it all kicked off...

I am on week 15, have been on 7.5mg for a month following a gentle titration up. I think 7.5 is too much for me as it builds in my system... I think I will count clicks down to 6 this week and see if I can find a happy place.

I had a small glass of flat-ish diet coke an hour ago and still feeling like that's all for now... MJ is no joke!

@SnacklessWonder I'm 44 and ALWAYS had periods every 28 days like clockwork pre-MJ. Was due on right after my first jab at the end of April and no period happened for 2 months! I've just started my second period on MJ this past weekend... There is no doubt it has had a HUGE effect on my cycle. I guess it's not that surprising given it's a hormonal medication?

Thanks @ThatEdgyLemonSheep for the great advice on iron - much appreciated. I'm too fragile this morning but will get on it once the nausea passes! 😅

Greyrockin · 20/08/2024 11:03

The September edition of Which? has an article about weight loss injections - I think it's a balanced article which covers the pro's and con's fairly well:

The Ozempic effect
A new wave of weight-loss drugs is available to some on the NHS and to many more privately. They do work – but with caveats. Shefalee Loth and Sara Spary explain what you need to know and expose a concerning lack of rigour from some pharmacies

Ozempic, Wegovy, semaglutide and Mounjaro have quickly become familiar names to many of us. Two of these, Wegovy and Mounjaro, have been approved as weight-loss aids in the past year and have rarely been out of the headlines since.

Ozempic is the name that’s stuck in the popular imagination but it's actually the brand name for the diabetes-approved version of semaglutide. Ozempic isn't registered for and shouldn’t be used for weight loss as the doses can be different.

These weight-loss drugs, selfinjected weekly into your thigh, abdomen or upper arm, slow digestion and increase the time it takes for food to leave your stomach. They alter brain signals to help you feel fuller for longer, reducing appetite and increasing insulin to regulate blood glucose levels.

They were originally developed as a treatment for type 2 diabetes but it was discovered they could also help with weight loss, lowering people’s risk of many obesity-related diseases, such as heart disease and diabetes.

The actual drugs are semaglutide and tirzepatide, and the brand names they’re sold under for weight loss are Wegovy and Mounjaro, respectively.

Studies show that people taking Wegovy and Mounjaro lose weight within two to four weeks of starting the drug. In trials, people have lost up to 22% of their
body weight.

Tip of the iceberg

Professor Giles Yeo, an obesity geneticist at the University of Cambridge, says the drugs currently available are the tip of the iceberg.

He says: ‘New drugs are being tested in trials that target multiple receptors. These could result in greater and quicker weight loss, fewer doses needed – monthly instead of weekly, say – and fewer side effects.’

As well as weight loss, these medicines also reduce blood pressure, the risk of cardiovascular disease and several cancers, so it’s not surprising that they’re being hailed as wonder drugs that could save the NHS a lot of money in the long run.

However, the benefits only last while you’re taking the drugs. Once you stop, your appetite returns to normal in a week and most people will put the weight back on.

They can have unpleasant side effects too, the most common being nausea and vomiting, heartburn, constipation, diarrhoea, stomach pains and headaches, which affect around 10% of people taking them, although these tend to be transient.

More severe, but rarer, side effects reported include pancreatitis, kidney problems and thyroid tumours.

Who’s eligible?

Wegovy is available via the NHS for some and it’s expected Mounjaro will be shortly too. However, there are strict criteria to meet and limits to what is on offer.

To qualify you must have a condition such as hypertension or cardiovascular disease and a body mass index (BMI) of 35kg/m2 or above. BMI is calculated by dividing an adult's weight in kg by their height in metres squared (kg/m2).

People with a BMI of 30, who meet the criteria for referral to a specialist weight management service and who have tried unsuccessfully to lose weight, are also eligible. So too are Black, Asian, Chinese and Middle Eastern people at a lower BMI threshold (minimum 27.5) due to increased risk of some diseases.

In July 2024, semaglutide was approved to be used for people with established cardiovascular disease and a BMI of 27 or more to prevent heart attacks and strokes.

The jabs are also available privately with a lesser BMI of 30. Patients referring themselves via online pharmacies can get Wegovy and Mounjaro from around £150 a month, up to around £300 a month for the maximum dose.

Ingrid, 55, explains how her private Mounjaro prescription has helped her lose a stone in eight weeks
I have osteoarthritis in my knee and my consultant recommended I lose weight. I tried using Orlistat (a prescription weight-loss tablet that stops the fat in your food being absorbed). After six months I’d not lost a pound, so he suggested I try one of these weight -loss drugs and wrote to my GP.

Unfortunately, my GP didn’t refer me, but by this point I’d done a lot of research and decided to pay for a private prescription. I used Lloyds Pharmacy as I get my other medications from there.

I filled out a form online and sent in a series of full-length photos in front of a mirror with a weighing scale in the picture and a form of ID. Once I passed the screening process, I was sent my first month’s dose of Mounjaro.

I’ve been lucky as I only had stomach cramps on the first day, otherwise I’ve had no side effects, even when I increased my dose.

My diet has totally changed. I now eat only a fraction of what I used to, and I just don’t get hungry. I still enjoy food – my portion sizes are just smaller.
In eight weeks I’ve been taking Mounjaro I’ve gone from 96kg (15 stone) to 89kg (14 stone) and my knee feels better. My target weight is around 78kg (12 stone). This has been a miracle for me.

People taking the drugs on an NHS prescription are supported with nutrition and exercise advice, but this isn’t always the case for those on private prescriptions.
Prof Yeo has concerns about this: ‘These drugs shouldn’t be used in isolation. When people drastically reduce their dietary intake, as they do on these drugs, there is a risk of fibre, protein and micronutrient deficiencies', he said.

He thinks it’s essential people are supported with nutrition and physical exercise advice: ‘When you lose weight quickly you lose 50% fat and 50% muscle mass. No one signs up to lose muscle and people need to counterbalance this with exercise and resistance training, especially those who are over 40.’

Jabs forever?

Under current guidelines, Wegovy can only be prescribed by the NHS for up to two years. But given that patients are likely to put on weight once they stop, Prof Yeo thinks this will change and patients will be kept on some form of ‘maintenance dose’. There is no such limit for patients buying privately.
Prof Yeo says he’s uncomfortable with people using weight-loss drugs who don’t really need them (ie those who just want to lose a few pounds). He sees a need for tightening regulation on how people access them.

Vicky Price, A&E consultant and president-elect of the Society for Acute Medicine, has dealt with the consequences of people taking them that don’t need to or who take them irresponsibly. She has treated increasing numbers in A&E, including those with ketoacidosis and pancreatitis – conditions that can be fatal if left untreated.

Dr Price says: ‘The majority of people I’ve seen have been of a normal body weight that would under no circumstances fit the required body weight for these medications.

‘We are seeing people who have lied [about their weight] to online pharmacies, but we’re also seeing people who are getting these drugs from less reputable sources, such as from beauticians.

When she prescribes medication she has access to a person’s medical history, and takes it into account. She thinks the current system of relying on patient knowledge and honesty about their health is inadequate.

We need better regulation, it’s not safe – it’s easy to get these medications. What worries me is the reasons why people are doing this – why are young women getting them? Are they feeling pressured to lose weight [for cosmetic reasons]? This is not what these drugs were designed for.

Her concerns were echoed by eating disorder charity, Beat. Its clinical advice coordinator, Umairah Malik, criticised the fact that weight-loss injections are readily available without ‘comprehensive eating disorder screening’ or in-person consultation.

Prof Yeo agrees that in-person prescribing should be required, and he cautions against a future where weight-loss drugs are widely used in isolation. He said it’s important the government still works to improve our food system and environment so that people can access affordable, healthy food. Ultimately prevention is better than cure.'

Darlinghag · 20/08/2024 11:11

Im now on my second full day, (dosed on su day night) and am not noticing a huge amount of difference, so far.

main symptoms have been:

feeling cold
a wee bit of nausea thats passed quickly
im not sure if its hunger supression - i gues sit is, but finding this time of day i am not hungry, but am so later in the day.

i’m not feeling like food noise in my brain has switched off yet - but i also think i am so hyperfocused on symptoms that it may be clouding things!!

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 20/08/2024 11:27

103.10kg today. So close to the 102kg bracket.

I am a bit peckish today though, so need to find something with negative calories and weighs less than helium.

On a serious note I do need more natural fibre in my life, but took my son to the shop yesterday for a snack and a drink and he chose a bag of carrots that he won't eat so today's lunch will be carrot sticks and some form of ozone based dip.

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weaseleyes · 20/08/2024 11:37

I think that's a well-balanced article, and it's clearly worrying people who aren't overweight are using medication and suffering as a consequence. But as someone who definitely is overweight, I hope I continue to be able to access it before they regulate more tightly! I've got so fed up over the last few years of doctors telling me every ailment was due to obesity so it wouldn't be taken seriously, but then offering nothing other than the usual 'sign up to weightwatchers' or 'put down that doughnut' type advice and refusing to listen or disbelieving me when I set out the issues I was having with none of the usual approaches working. It's been a relief to be able to choose something myself without having to justify it too much, but with all the resources available.

MounjaroMunchie · 20/08/2024 11:40

Just nipping back to the carbs chat, this is a REALLY interesting article about cooking carbs such as pasta, rice, potatoes and noodles then chilling and reheating them, changes the way that your body process them. There are lower/smaller glucose spikes, and the food is treated more like fibre by your digestive system. Supposedly, freezing and defrosting bread has a similar effect.

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/carbohydrates-and-diabetes/carbs-and-cooking

This is quite a short and simple article, but there's plenty of reading on the same subject online if you fancy a deeper dive.

I have insulin resistant PCOS so this is definitely something I will be trying.

Carbs and cooking

Pasta, potatoes and rice... are all carbohydrates that cause a surge in blood glucose levels as they are broken down. For people with diabetes, these surges in glucose can be tricky to manage and cause problems over time. But what if simply changing th...

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/carbohydrates-and-diabetes/carbs-and-cooking

IGmjdoesmj · 20/08/2024 11:54

Under current guidelines, Wegovy can only be prescribed by the NHS for up to two years. But given that patients are likely to put on weight once they stop, Prof Yeo thinks this will change and patients will be kept on some form of ‘maintenance dose’. There is no such limit for patients buying privately.

Interesting. Considering alot of pharmacies online stipulate they will only prescribe privately for two years. Or did I miss the memo somewhere?

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