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The Sixth Republic - Will we or won’t we? That is the question! #solidarity

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 17/05/2020 17:34

You are most welcome to this school staff support thread to get us through stressful times. It is meant for school staff. Baiters and bashers can jog on somewhere else.

If you are NOT staff and just have a general education query please start your own thread.

You can play here only if you are a member of one the following groups-

-ABBA - anti bashers and baiting association
-SWAB - school workers against bashers
-SWOT - school workers opposing teacherbashers
-STARS - schoolworkers together against ranting + slurs

Other requirements for staff room entry include the ability to find the staff room, the ability to find a clean mug in the staff room, knowledge of the photocopier codes, and the ability to sniff out where the toffee vodka is hidden.

In the other staffroom, there is rhubarb & ginger gin, along with tea and coffee.

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Piggywaspushed · 19/05/2020 10:55

The latter, I think chloe, hence those posters also repeatedly repeating scientific studies which they haven't read.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/05/2020 10:55

Oh apparently systemic failure of education is the fault of the current generation of teachers. I’m beginning to despair of critical thinking skills. About ready to scrap the national curriculum if this is the kind of citizens it churns out

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 19/05/2020 10:55

@MossWalk well mummy has to manage child expectations and manage her own behaviour as well to support the child

#solidarity

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 19/05/2020 10:59

@TheHoneyBadger - those sorts of comments come from those who have no idea of how the education system is controlled and managed not its change history over the past couple of decades.
#armchairexperts

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RigaBalsam · 19/05/2020 11:03

My partner teachers in a secondary in a trust with 4 primaries. They have had an email saying they will definitely not have any more pupils in until 8th June and they are not sure how that will look yet.

cheesecurdsandgravy · 19/05/2020 11:04

@Piggywaspushed what/where was your AMA?

worstofbothworlds · 19/05/2020 11:06

Possibly means they’ve retrospectively done the maths on numbers of classrooms and staff required?

As it's 8 per group for EYFS then even a decent sized nursery cohort with some 2 year olds could mean a whole primary school taken up with EYFS. (4 classrooms needed per YR class, and then 4 additional classrooms for a 30-strong FTE nursery cohort of 3 and 4 year olds, except that any 2 year olds need 1:3, and you can't have the all-day-Monday 3 and 4 year olds mixing with the Mon am and Tues am who are mixing with the all-day-Tuesday group).

SansaSnark · 19/05/2020 11:06

Quite late Yesterday evening, our head sent out some detail about our current plans for bringing Y10 and Y12 back into school and invited staff to comment on the plans- however, he's already sent out an email this morning outlining the plans to parents.

This is despite me knowing from a member of SLT that we still haven't figured out how to get the children who usually use LA transport into school safely.

Feels quite underhand and sneaky and I have raised my issues with my union rep. I understand the head is under a lot of pressure, though, and probably felt he needed to get some kind of statement out to parents.

Piggywaspushed · 19/05/2020 11:09

cheese there is an AMA section of MN , in Other Stuff. It's in there. Hasn't had a question for days now. It mainly became about SEN.

Piggywaspushed · 19/05/2020 11:09

I blame you lot. I bit on the nautical thread.

namechangedyetagain · 19/05/2020 11:11

Found you! And 17 pages in. Bringing my own coffee as on fourth cup already. Trying to do my PGCE placement letter. Find these things so hard. How do I put I believe the child their well being and development should be most important without sounding wanky or contradicting the govt. This isn't a completely unrealistic ideal to have is it?

Piggywaspushed · 19/05/2020 11:12

I wouldn't be surprised if the year 10/12 guidance comes out on late Friday.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they tell us our classes can be more than 15, can move around and/or that teachers should move to them (hot desking!) so long as everyone washes their hands every 2.6 seconds at the multiple sinks with soap.

I actually think it's a scandal that the DfE is being so tightlipped about this. I actually can't believe MN isn't frothing about it but they seem oblivious to the imminent return of older pupils, both on here and in the media.

RigaBalsam · 19/05/2020 11:15

I actually think it's a scandal that the DfE is being so tightlipped about this. I actually can't believe MN isn't frothing about it but they seem oblivious to the imminent return of older pupils, both on here and in the media.

Again proving its all about childcare.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 19/05/2020 11:18

Started to read one thread and got as far as
So what are they planning on doing come September? They can't deny small kids an education because they can't be arsed.

decided not to bother with the rest of that thread, no point, after reading that comment on the first page

#solidarity

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Piggywaspushed · 19/05/2020 11:18

Shock!

SansaSnark · 19/05/2020 11:25

@Piggywaspushed

I also wouldn't be surprised if they tell us our classes can be more than 15

AFIAK, doesn't the guidance already say this- I thought it said classes split in half for secondary school. Both my Y10 classes have 32 children, so this would be 16 children to a group, in theory. This strikes me as odd, as most of the (debatable) evidence over lack of transmission applies to under 10s, rather than 14/15yos.

However, to be fair, my school is not looking at anything like a full timetable for the moment.

Piggywaspushed · 19/05/2020 11:38

Where is that sansa?

FrippEnos · 19/05/2020 12:05

There seem to be two new posts that are coming through at the moment.

The number of deaths on the way to school
and
70 pupils in France out of 400000 schools.

I don't know much about the first one but the second certainly ignores that the 70 pupils are all in one area.

NeurotrashWarrior · 19/05/2020 12:05

Jfc staff!

*The Netherlands (I believe) has had fewer than 6000 deaths though.

And yet always glossed over by those ‘having a dig’ brigade, eh!?*

Fewer than 600 !!!!!!! Not 6000, I have no idea why they're comparing.

NeurotrashWarrior · 19/05/2020 12:06

Not all French schools are open by any means. My friend in lux's children aren't back for 2 weeks.

FrippEnos · 19/05/2020 12:08

NeurotrashWarrior

Yup.

And yet they continue with the stupid comparisons.

Piggywaspushed · 19/05/2020 12:08

Wonders will never cease: a (fairly) supportive piece in The Times today. Rifkind does mention marking(sigh) but otherwise reserves all his mockery for Gav.

cheesecurdsandgravy · 19/05/2020 12:11

@Piggywaspushed that AMA was a breath of fresh air. Thank you.

I’m a SENCO, those questions come up all the time. Thank you for explaining rationally why most secondary teachers never read an EHCP but rely on SENCO input, I think it helps that you are also the parent of a child with SEN and so understand the frustrations and limitations of funding and time (Mainly funding, for if there was funding, we could buy time).

I’d never be brave enough to do an AMA about being a SENCO, despite thinking I’m pretty good at my job.

ChloeDecker · 19/05/2020 12:14

Not all French schools are open by any means. My friend in lux's children aren't back for 2 weeks.

Similar in Cyprus. Only the older kids in Secondary have gone back and they didn’t have any open for keyworker children either and they have had 17 deaths.
Their test and tracing is pretty good though. On the first few days, 4 children tested positive for Covid19.

Piggywaspushed · 19/05/2020 12:34

Oh God yes an SEN thread would descend quickly!