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The royal family

PR Disasters thread 16.

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HoldMyWine · 10/06/2026 18:55

Meghan and Harry the grift that keeps on grifting. Long may they continue. Better than any soap opera on the telly.

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SqueakyDinosaur · 14/06/2026 14:12

It's interesting to think how short the reign of the paparazzi has been, and especially in relation to royalty. It was really only just before Diana married in that it got really frenzied, maybe mid-70s? 50s for showbiz types, but not for royals.

Maybe it was the 60s documentary that allowed people to see them as fair game.

corblimeygvnr · 14/06/2026 14:15

Trooping of the Colour - this godawful outfit. Looks like she shopped at Ross Dress for Less.

PR Disasters thread 16.
Namethenames · 14/06/2026 14:17

corblimeygvnr · 14/06/2026 14:15

Trooping of the Colour - this godawful outfit. Looks like she shopped at Ross Dress for Less.

It really was inappropriate

BasiliskStare · 14/06/2026 14:18

One trope I am tired of is that anyone on MN who criticises M is an old crone jealous of her youth , beauty , riches and title. (My paraphrase)

There are so many women younger , richer , better looking and more famous than me that I wouldn't have time to do anything , including sleep , if I spent my time being envious of them all. Of course I'd like a fraction of H&M's money but not so much I'd be prepared to put up with the hoopla that comes with it. Genuinely I am not envious of her. Can't prove it , people will just have to take my word for it.

Again , contentment is underrated and as another pp said ( sorry I can't remember who ) better to want what you have rather than get what you want. It amazes me how some people with what seem to be the most lovely lives seem to want more. But I suppose that's why they are very rich and I'm not 😊

SoftAsSteel · 14/06/2026 14:21

LipglossAndLies · 14/06/2026 07:34

The accusation that Harry and Meghan "wanted privacy" but then made documentaries, gave interviews, and published a memoir is based on a misunderstanding of what they actually said.

First, Harry and Meghan never said they were leaving royal life to disappear from public view. In December 2022, their global press secretary explicitly stated that they had "never cited privacy as the reason for stepping back" and that this narrative had been distorted.

Their argument was about control, safety, and freedom from intrusive media practices not about becoming private citizens.

Second, privacy is not the same as secrecy. Every public figure draws boundaries between what they choose to share and what others are entitled to access. Meghan explained this clearly in her Oprah interview using the analogy of showing someone a single photo of your child without handing over your entire phone. Choosing to share some aspects of your life does not mean surrendering your right to keep everything else private.

The strongest proof that this principle is widely accepted comes from William and Catherine themselves.

In 2015, Kensington Palace formally thanked the media for agreeing not to publish unauthorized photographs of Prince George and Princess Charlotte. In return, William and Catherine would continue releasing official photographs of their children. This arrangement was explicitly described as a way to protect the children's private lives while still satisfying legitimate public interest.

Nobody argues that William and Catherine forfeited all privacy because they release birthday photographs. In fact, most people recognize the distinction: they voluntarily share selected images while rejecting paparazzi harassment and unauthorized surveillance.

Harry and Meghan are applying the same principle. They have chosen to tell their story through interviews, documentaries, podcasts, and books while objecting to invasive practices such as paparazzi pursuits, long-lens photography, drone surveillance, and unauthorized intrusion into their family life.

The real issue is not whether information is shared. Both couples share information. The issue is who decides what gets shared.

William and Catherine believe they should choose which photographs of their children become public rather than leaving that decision to paparazzi.
Harry and Meghan believe they should choose how and when to tell their story rather than allowing tabloids, anonymous sources, or intrusive photographers to define it for them.

Therefore, the claim that Harry and Meghan are hypocrites collapses because it relies on a false definition of privacy.

Privacy does not mean never speaking publicly. Privacy means retaining the agency to decide what parts of your life are public and what parts remain personal.

By that standard, Harry and Meghan's actions are entirely consistent with a principle that William and Catherine also practice.

Sharing a few pictures on their own terms is the exact type of privacy they want and have, both families. That is something that at least we should all be glad can happen given how badly the media have behaved in the past with Royal Family members. Finally something has changed and who here can say they don't agree with both of being able to draw the line on their own terms.

Just like we all do individually, some people like total privacy, some like to share some images of their lives including their children privately, some leave their accounts open for anyone to see. No one aize fits all when it comes to privacy.

If you habe a quote from H&M that says they wanted a private life that meant never sharing pictures or being seen feel free to quote it but from the interview to that statement that was released its clear what their version of private it and its similar to Williams and Kate (not many of you would argue they are wrong with their version of privacy).

This post is an example of why the laughing emoji was taken away 🤣🤣

Indianrollerbird · 14/06/2026 14:21

corblimeygvnr · 14/06/2026 14:15

Trooping of the Colour - this godawful outfit. Looks like she shopped at Ross Dress for Less.

But it was perfect for South Park!

corblimeygvnr · 14/06/2026 14:25

Namethenames · 14/06/2026 14:17

It really was inappropriate

It's more than that - it's just horrible. Ghastly colour , ghastly style , unflattering . You would think H would say " oh hun I don't think that's gonna cut it" 😂

Indianrollerbird · 14/06/2026 14:32

LipglossAndLies · 14/06/2026 07:34

The accusation that Harry and Meghan "wanted privacy" but then made documentaries, gave interviews, and published a memoir is based on a misunderstanding of what they actually said.

First, Harry and Meghan never said they were leaving royal life to disappear from public view. In December 2022, their global press secretary explicitly stated that they had "never cited privacy as the reason for stepping back" and that this narrative had been distorted.

Their argument was about control, safety, and freedom from intrusive media practices not about becoming private citizens.

Second, privacy is not the same as secrecy. Every public figure draws boundaries between what they choose to share and what others are entitled to access. Meghan explained this clearly in her Oprah interview using the analogy of showing someone a single photo of your child without handing over your entire phone. Choosing to share some aspects of your life does not mean surrendering your right to keep everything else private.

The strongest proof that this principle is widely accepted comes from William and Catherine themselves.

In 2015, Kensington Palace formally thanked the media for agreeing not to publish unauthorized photographs of Prince George and Princess Charlotte. In return, William and Catherine would continue releasing official photographs of their children. This arrangement was explicitly described as a way to protect the children's private lives while still satisfying legitimate public interest.

Nobody argues that William and Catherine forfeited all privacy because they release birthday photographs. In fact, most people recognize the distinction: they voluntarily share selected images while rejecting paparazzi harassment and unauthorized surveillance.

Harry and Meghan are applying the same principle. They have chosen to tell their story through interviews, documentaries, podcasts, and books while objecting to invasive practices such as paparazzi pursuits, long-lens photography, drone surveillance, and unauthorized intrusion into their family life.

The real issue is not whether information is shared. Both couples share information. The issue is who decides what gets shared.

William and Catherine believe they should choose which photographs of their children become public rather than leaving that decision to paparazzi.
Harry and Meghan believe they should choose how and when to tell their story rather than allowing tabloids, anonymous sources, or intrusive photographers to define it for them.

Therefore, the claim that Harry and Meghan are hypocrites collapses because it relies on a false definition of privacy.

Privacy does not mean never speaking publicly. Privacy means retaining the agency to decide what parts of your life are public and what parts remain personal.

By that standard, Harry and Meghan's actions are entirely consistent with a principle that William and Catherine also practice.

Sharing a few pictures on their own terms is the exact type of privacy they want and have, both families. That is something that at least we should all be glad can happen given how badly the media have behaved in the past with Royal Family members. Finally something has changed and who here can say they don't agree with both of being able to draw the line on their own terms.

Just like we all do individually, some people like total privacy, some like to share some images of their lives including their children privately, some leave their accounts open for anyone to see. No one aize fits all when it comes to privacy.

If you habe a quote from H&M that says they wanted a private life that meant never sharing pictures or being seen feel free to quote it but from the interview to that statement that was released its clear what their version of private it and its similar to Williams and Kate (not many of you would argue they are wrong with their version of privacy).

What is your position on Harry and Meghan's unauthorised intrusion (your words) into Harry's family's private lives for monetary gain in all their "controlled" media vehicles? Sharing wholly private conversations, wholly private interactions, anatomical commentary on one's sibling, commentary on their marriage and their children, pretty much providing a descriptive floor print to their homes and private quarters? What is your position on Harry and Meghan denying - for huge monetary gain - his family's ability to, in your words, [retain] the agency to decide what parts of [their] life are public and what parts remain personal?

LittleMerrymaid · 14/06/2026 14:37

LipglossAndLies · 14/06/2026 10:36

All over? Where? How many times? Are there daily pictures? How often are we talking here? I only see a few occasional moments just like the Wales children..as you say.

There are way more images of the Sussex children posted online than there are of the Wales children.

Your post reminds me of ‘there’s none so blind as those who won’t see’.

jeffgoldblum · 14/06/2026 14:41

Indianrollerbird · 14/06/2026 14:32

What is your position on Harry and Meghan's unauthorised intrusion (your words) into Harry's family's private lives for monetary gain in all their "controlled" media vehicles? Sharing wholly private conversations, wholly private interactions, anatomical commentary on one's sibling, commentary on their marriage and their children, pretty much providing a descriptive floor print to their homes and private quarters? What is your position on Harry and Meghan denying - for huge monetary gain - his family's ability to, in your words, [retain] the agency to decide what parts of [their] life are public and what parts remain personal?

Judging by their comments about the royals on the other thread , I assume that’s perfectly acceptable and even deserved! 🤷‍♀️

Singan · 14/06/2026 14:41

God, I'm sick of scrolling past that weird long fact-free dissertation every time someone quotes it to comment on it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for the reality checks (clearly necessary). But it made my thumb tired enough scrolling past it the first time...

FenellaFeldman · 14/06/2026 14:45

A cursory reference to what other women have worn to this event would have been easy enough.
It's called formal day wear for a significant state event. You don't wear off the shoulder.
It's easy enough to get an outfit which was suitable. The then Prince Charles was bankrolling her bespoke designer wardrobe, it's not like she had to find something in the sales.

Lunde · 14/06/2026 14:46

LipglossAndLies · 14/06/2026 10:36

All over? Where? How many times? Are there daily pictures? How often are we talking here? I only see a few occasional moments just like the Wales children..as you say.

Archie isn't posted so often - but Meghan posts Lili about once every 7-10 days. In the last 3-4 weeks
-Lili's birthday (fair enough)
-Lili meeting princesses on a family Disney holiday
-Lili's Beyonce t-shirt
-Lili in the walk in closet of their home choosing outfits for Meghan to wear in Geneva

If Meghan wants to be a mommy influencer - that's OK and she should say that - but it is hypocritical to do that at the same time as making speeches about keeping children away from social media

Andylion · 14/06/2026 14:48

corblimeygvnr · 14/06/2026 12:28

I think they are maybe playing up the Harry/ Spike Lee thing however it does show him grandstanding. A brief interaction. It looks awkward though. He's so desperate. Can you imagine William having to search to find people to interact with?

I agree. At worst it appears awkward.

MyAutumnCrow · 14/06/2026 14:58

It's awkward seeing Harry getting handsy again.

And Spike Lee pointing at him like that for so long is interesting - and he seemed to have a lot to say. That's when H does that weird flat-hand-palm-on-Lee's-stomach move.

Lunde · 14/06/2026 15:00

corblimeygvnr · 14/06/2026 14:15

Trooping of the Colour - this godawful outfit. Looks like she shopped at Ross Dress for Less.

When she first joined the royal family I used to feel a bit sorry for her always wearing inappropriate attire and that Harry hadn't explained the engagement to her. But now I see it as deliberate - she wanted to upstage, be the centre of attention and talked about.
-like her turning up at Louis' christening, which had a creams and blues dress code in an olive dress (even Harry got it right)
-"sexy" outfits to Military events - short, shorts at Invictus, Off the shoulder at TTC
-the green poisoned pixie outfit at the Commonwealth Service when the dress code was red, white and blue
-no hat with the Queen leaving her with messy hair
etc etc

fantom · 14/06/2026 15:04

I think she is deliberately controversial. It's the only explanation for so mny blunders.

garlicandsapphires · 14/06/2026 15:09

MyAutumnCrow · 14/06/2026 14:58

It's awkward seeing Harry getting handsy again.

And Spike Lee pointing at him like that for so long is interesting - and he seemed to have a lot to say. That's when H does that weird flat-hand-palm-on-Lee's-stomach move.

Harry’s handsy nature is something I hadn’t been aware of until recently, and it makes me furious that he gets away with it. The Bondi beach incident that the media have ignored.

@LipglossAndLies I concur that their original message has been misconstrued as wanting privacy. I don’t think that was what they meant, more about having things on their own terms - fair enough.

I wish they’d protect their children’s privacy more. We’ve seen a great many more intimate moments than we have with the Wales.

SqueakyDinosaur · 14/06/2026 15:11

Lunde · 14/06/2026 15:00

When she first joined the royal family I used to feel a bit sorry for her always wearing inappropriate attire and that Harry hadn't explained the engagement to her. But now I see it as deliberate - she wanted to upstage, be the centre of attention and talked about.
-like her turning up at Louis' christening, which had a creams and blues dress code in an olive dress (even Harry got it right)
-"sexy" outfits to Military events - short, shorts at Invictus, Off the shoulder at TTC
-the green poisoned pixie outfit at the Commonwealth Service when the dress code was red, white and blue
-no hat with the Queen leaving her with messy hair
etc etc

The only one of these that I think was actively offensive was the shorts at Invictus. The others were just choices.

Also, we don't actually know that there was a dress code either for the christening or the Commonwealth service. Plenty of Commonwealth countries have that bright darkish green in their flags - it shouldn't be all about the red white and blue.

I can't get too excited, either about no hat or about off the shoulder (and IMO it was actually a very pretty outfit). It's the 21st century, FFS.

FenellaFeldman · 14/06/2026 15:19

SqueakyDinosaur · 14/06/2026 15:11

The only one of these that I think was actively offensive was the shorts at Invictus. The others were just choices.

Also, we don't actually know that there was a dress code either for the christening or the Commonwealth service. Plenty of Commonwealth countries have that bright darkish green in their flags - it shouldn't be all about the red white and blue.

I can't get too excited, either about no hat or about off the shoulder (and IMO it was actually a very pretty outfit). It's the 21st century, FFS.

We know it's the 21st Century. However, it's interesting that on these occasions, she's stood out. Notably with the style or colour. Fine.
However, it. blatantly contradicts one of her complaints about joining the RF, which was her claim that she had to wear neutral colours to blend in.
She neither wore neutral colours nor attempted to blend in.
Yet another lie, ffs.

bluegreygreen · 14/06/2026 15:42

It's highly likely that there were dress codes for each of the events that @Lunde describes.

It is frequently documented that the RF (and their advisers) put a lot of thought into 'diplomatic dressing' for events, and that will have been particularly the case for a Commonwealth event, given the importance that the late Queen place on it.

Trooping the Colour has a dress code even for guests who obtain tickets through the ballot; the RF dress code is likely to be more strict.

It is offensive to ignore dress codes in situations where you are not the host of that event. It shows lack of respect and consideration to others.

wordler · 14/06/2026 15:44

My2cents1975 · 14/06/2026 13:16

H&M lean heavily on the marketing tool of anchoring. Anchoring is a cognitive bias where people rely too heavily on the first piece of information they receive when making judgments or decisions, even if that information is irrelevant or arbitrary. For example, the first price a customer sees sets a mental benchmark for evaluating other prices or offers.

H&M are anchoring desperately to Diana and the Wales family.

For example, H&M claimed in their mockumentary that M was hounded like Diana but showed footage of a Harry Potter premiere, a Katie Price lawsuit and Catherine being harassed by paps as no such footage existed. But this mythical harassment "just like Diana" is still heavily referenced by H&M and their super fans especially as the "reason" they left.

Another example is the Wales children. H&M's children are the next generation Beatrice and Eugenie. End of. The reference point is pure irrelevance to desperately try and pretend that H&M's children have the same hierarchical relevance as their Wales cousins. But embracing reality destroys the H&M narrative.

I’ll never not be amused and bemused by how that stock footage wasn’t caught by the documentary makers on final edit.

A researcher has clearly put the words Harry and Sussex and photographers into an archive footage search and grabbed the Harry Potter film premiere and Katie Price at Sussex crown court without noticing it had nothing to do with Harry and Meghan.

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 14/06/2026 15:50

It is offensive to ignore dress codes in situations where you are not the host of that event. It shows lack of respect and consideration to others.

This. Whatever century it is, it's about manners.

FenellaFeldman · 14/06/2026 15:58

bluegreygreen · 14/06/2026 15:42

It's highly likely that there were dress codes for each of the events that @Lunde describes.

It is frequently documented that the RF (and their advisers) put a lot of thought into 'diplomatic dressing' for events, and that will have been particularly the case for a Commonwealth event, given the importance that the late Queen place on it.

Trooping the Colour has a dress code even for guests who obtain tickets through the ballot; the RF dress code is likely to be more strict.

It is offensive to ignore dress codes in situations where you are not the host of that event. It shows lack of respect and consideration to others.

Exactly. Rude, arrogant and entitled.
I think as her father in law was paying for bespoke Dior, Givenchy and Stella McCartney, the least she could do was check what's normally worn.

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