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The royal family

Should Beatrice and Eugenie voluntarily give up their titles if they want any public respect ever again?

572 replies

Sweetiedarling7 · 22/02/2026 09:30

Just that really.
I think the only possible way forward for them is to choose to give up the princess thing, make a brief public statement in support of victims and to end their middle east business jaunts.

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AnnieLummox · 22/02/2026 11:25

simpsonthecat · 22/02/2026 11:21

They go every day to Royal Ascot sat in the carriages going up the racecourse with other Royals and titled people. They attend royal garden parties
I do hope they become irrelevant, fingers crossed

You mean… almost as if they were royalty?

Dollymylove · 22/02/2026 11:25

simpsonthecat · 22/02/2026 11:21

They go every day to Royal Ascot sat in the carriages going up the racecourse with other Royals and titled people. They attend royal garden parties
I do hope they become irrelevant, fingers crossed

And this affects you how?

BoxingHare · 22/02/2026 11:26

socks1107 · 22/02/2026 10:06

I don’t think they are anywhere near as awful as their parents but I don’t think they are innocent either and maybe a step down should happen. They had lunch as adults with a known trafficker. That’s not innocent to me. Although they may well have been manipulated by their mum they are old enough to see that

There is thread after thread after thread on Mumsnet from women of all ages who have been manipulated by one or both of their parents, and who are struggling to break free of it.

Who says to them, well by the age of 21 or 25 or 30 or whatever you should have seen that and sorted it?

No one, because sensible people realise that parental manipulation that has gone on for a lifetime is something that's firstly, difficult to comprehend because it's "normal", then it's difficult to accept because it's the people who should be looking out for you more than anyone else, then it's difficult to change an entire mindset that's been in place since you were a child.

The entire RF has been involved in various dodgy dealings, from the late queen downwards. Yes, the whole family can be castigated for that, including B and E.

But to say that these two women might have been manipulated by their parents (who by all accounts seemed more interested in themselves than they ever were in their daughters, other than as props) then say they should miraculously have known better when they very likely didn't even realise is unfair when we don't expect ordinary women to suddenly know at a certain age and immediately cut their parents off.

It's obvious that in 2019 when AMW did the interview and was encouraged by B, that she fully believed in him. And even late last year she was showing support by riding with him.

It's a hard thing to accept your dad has been involved in the exploitation of vulnerable women and girls, and has potentially committed treason.

If they've committed crimes themselves, then absolutely they need to be held accountable, but I can't castigate them for failing to understand that their parents have been using them, and for not being able to cast them aside.

IceOnTheLake · 22/02/2026 11:26

Gowlett · 22/02/2026 10:17

B & E have nothing to do with this! They were young women, when their mother took them to see Epstein. She was wrong!

They are William’s cousins. An important part of the Royal Family. My cousin has a dodgy dad. She can’t change that…

They really aren't an important part of the royal family. I mean many of us would be glad to see the back of the entire royal family, but even if you subscribe to a royalist point of view, they aren't remotely important.

ItsThatWayNotThisWay · 22/02/2026 11:29

Dollymylove · 22/02/2026 11:19

She isnt here to "serve us" she isnt a working Royal and she isnt paid by the public purse.
Yes she and her sister get invited to the best parties and hobnob with the rich and the famous, gets invited on luxury holidays but hell, who wouldnt in their situation?

They are using their connection to the Royal family to make dodgy deals with bad people that benefit themselves. Their social circle is questionable to say the least and their ‘business dealings’ need looking into. These are not two innocent women living a morally good life harming no one.

Oliveoiloli · 22/02/2026 11:29

They did (as educated adult women) go to lunch with a known paedophile after he was released from prison.

RainbowBagels · 22/02/2026 11:30

Gowlett · 22/02/2026 10:17

B & E have nothing to do with this! They were young women, when their mother took them to see Epstein. She was wrong!

They are William’s cousins. An important part of the Royal Family. My cousin has a dodgy dad. She can’t change that…

If your cousin, knowing she had a dodgy dad suddenly saw hundreds of thousands of £££ in her bank account, would she wonder where it came from? What about if some dodgy Oligarch gave her some diamonds?

PrinceYakimov · 22/02/2026 11:30

It is very sad for them that their parents are, quite frankly, venal and totally lacking in judgement, and completely unsuited to Royal life. They have had a poor example all their lives. I think not enough is being made of the fact their parents must have exposed them to the company of sex offenders like Weinstein and Epstein while they were still non-adult teenagers so at the very least they have had sub-par safeguarding.

As adults, much depends on how mixed up in their parents' murky finances they are and how complicit they are in their parents' grifts. I can see they may have felt under pressure to have lunch with Epstein if they knew he was bankrolling their parents. I imagine it's pretty hard to go against the grain if you are a young Royal.

simpsonthecat · 22/02/2026 11:30

Dollymylove · 22/02/2026 11:25

And this affects you how?

How does anything affect anybody? It's such a stupid thing to say

How does what AMW been doing affect me? It doesn't.

But it matters

FourSevenTwo · 22/02/2026 11:31

Not in AIBU section, but YABU.

You are suggesting one option and possible interpretation of that option, but there is no social consensus about it. Any step they take will be interpreted in hundreds of different ways - admission of guilt, leaving RF in the time of need, keeping had down.

They are still the best bet the RF family has for "other working royals".

They can step down.
Or they can carry on and be judged for their own actions.

Dollymylove · 22/02/2026 11:32

ItsThatWayNotThisWay · 22/02/2026 11:29

They are using their connection to the Royal family to make dodgy deals with bad people that benefit themselves. Their social circle is questionable to say the least and their ‘business dealings’ need looking into. These are not two innocent women living a morally good life harming no one.

Do you have cast iron proof of this? If you do , have you informed the authorities?

LemonTT · 22/02/2026 11:33

Soontobe60 · 22/02/2026 09:32

So their father’s behaviour now has to impact on his daughters?

They have the titles because of who he is and was. Only fair they should now not have the titles because of who and what he is. If they had any moral fibre they would realise it and give up all connections to our country’s constitution.

The York family have all profited off their family relationship and continue to profit off that relationship. They should not have any status in this country and that includes being princesses.

midwalker · 22/02/2026 11:34

@BoxingHare spot on. If B&E were “normal” women posting on Mumsnet, they’d receive nothing but sympathy and support for the circumstances they’ve been placed in by their parents. I don’t know anything about them now, but I think this is a case of visiting the sins of the father on the children.

Dgll · 22/02/2026 11:35

ItsThatWayNotThisWay · 22/02/2026 10:59

This is the Royal board. I’ve talked about non Royals on other boards, but it obviously wouldn’t really be the place for it on this board. Here it’s obviously Andrew as the main person. Then Fergie, Beatrice, Eugenie, for their parts, Charles and William for what they knew, the late Queen for her cover up and paying off an victim etc.

The OP started a post about these two. She could have started a post about any of the men on lots of boards.

godmum56 · 22/02/2026 11:36

TheignT · 22/02/2026 10:12

I dont know much about them but I do remember one had surgery on her back when she was a child. She reportedly chose a wedding dress with a low back to show the scar as an example to children going through the surgery that it was nothing to be ashamed of.

No idea which one it was or if it was true but it did strike me as a positive thing to do, if she did it.

it was true, I saw the wedding on TV. It was princess Eugenie.

ItsThatWayNotThisWay · 22/02/2026 11:36

Dollymylove · 22/02/2026 11:32

Do you have cast iron proof of this? If you do , have you informed the authorities?

Andrew Lownie and his lawyers obviously feel they do and spent years collecting the evidence. Beatrice and Eugenie aren’t taking legal action against him. Why is that do you think?

luckylavender · 22/02/2026 11:36

Mosman2020 · 22/02/2026 10:25

Not sure if the public have ever respected them, but no it’s not fair on them. They’ve done nothing wrong as far as we know.

But as far as optics are concerned for the RF, everyone will think of Andrew everytime they pop up if they don’t stand down.

allthingsinmoderation · 22/02/2026 11:36

i don't know what the ruth is in this unedifying sorry situation but i wonder if Beatrice and Eugenie are victims of narcissitic ,entitled, manipulative parents?
I don't think the girls should be blamed for the sins of their parents ,but hopefully the whole truth will out now the police investigation is underway.
AMW makes it difficult to maintain the idea of the presumption of innocence until prove guilty tbh ...

Theseventhmagpie · 22/02/2026 11:38

It will be interesting to see if their marriages survive. They and their husbands are going to struggle to keep the same profitable contacts unless they decamp to the Middle East.
William will not hesitate to ostracise them.

BoxingHare · 22/02/2026 11:38

ItsThatWayNotThisWay · 22/02/2026 11:29

They are using their connection to the Royal family to make dodgy deals with bad people that benefit themselves. Their social circle is questionable to say the least and their ‘business dealings’ need looking into. These are not two innocent women living a morally good life harming no one.

Every single member of the RF is dodgy in this way.

From Sophie working in PR and using her position, from the late queen accepting racehorses, to Charles accepting cash donations.

The RF is in a precarious position. I think if anything is found on AMW's equipment that implicates his children in a way that they can't easily account for, then the entire corporation is in trouble.

Which could hopefully speed the monarchy's demise as our go to Head of State and family.

nicepotoftea · 22/02/2026 11:39

Why do they need public respect?

I don't feel obliged to respect any other women in their thirties.

Why them?

ItsThatWayNotThisWay · 22/02/2026 11:41

Dgll · 22/02/2026 11:35

The OP started a post about these two. She could have started a post about any of the men on lots of boards.

Maybe she has. Maybe she wants to talk about these two. What the problem? Some people want to close down any discussion even relating to Andrew and that makes me suspicious. Let people talk, you don’t have to join in. Beatrice and Eugenie have behaved badly themselves. I wouldn’t want them punished purely due to having a terrible father, but they should face scrutiny for their own bad behaviour.

Sassylovesbooks · 22/02/2026 11:42

B & E aren't responsible for their parents behaviour or dreadful moral compass. However, they are responsible for their own behaviour as adults. Did B & E know Epstein had been convicted for trafficking offences, prior to visiting him along with their Mum? We don't know. Did Sarah spring the visit upon them, and they went along with it? Again, we don't know. Did B & E know the ins and outs of their parents financial arrangements with Epstein? Were they aware Epstein had been bankrolling their Mum for 15 years? We have no idea. There's a lot that we don't know, and unless answers to those questions become clear, I don't see how the general public will know.

B & E aren't working Royals. Andrew wanted them to be working Royals, and apparently was very unhappy when that request was turned down. They are invited to Royal family gatherings, but they don't participate in official engagements. They have the Royal titles but that's about it.

The only working Royals are: King, Queen, William, Kate, Anne, Edward, Sophie, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester and Princess Alexandra.

Catwalking · 22/02/2026 11:42

I find your question rather peculiar OP. By extension; civilised society should perhaps lock up all offspring of murderers?
But my answer is, as we’re apparently perfectly happy to have a King who has admitted he committed adultery during marriage with his first wife; I think it’s too much of an ask to punish AMW’s daughters for something which happened whilst they were children & hence in no control of.

Lifeomars · 22/02/2026 11:43

Untailored · 22/02/2026 09:35

Why? What have they done?

Didn't one of them (can't recall which one as I get them mixed up) play a significant part in setting up the disastrous BBC interview where he lied, lied again and then lied some more. They are tainted by association and apparently when the update edition of Entitled comes out in May this year it will include negative information about them

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