Should Beatrice and Eugenie voluntarily give up their titles if they want any public respect ever again?

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Just that really.
I think the only possible way forward for them is to choose to give up the princess thing, make a brief public statement in support of victims and to end their middle east business jaunts.

I think the only possible way forward for them ....I could care less what the possible way forward for them is. I will leave that up to their daily lives and the people they have to answer to. Be a princess, don't be a princess, it has absolutely no impact on my life - does it on yours?

It’s ALL about PR. People think of her and think she must be nice because of what she did for scoliosis. As we know from experience, some of the very worst people can do things for good causes, in fact they like to because it keeps people onside and discredits any negative press.

She may have been a bridezilla, who knows. Worse things have been covered up as we now know. I don’t care if she was a bridezilla, but I do care about her being involved with bad people. She’s meant to serve us, not have her snout in the trough like she has.

Is she the younger one?

I think no matter whether you believe B & E are grifting, were or are aware of their parents wrong doing or not it would be sensible for them to give up their titles now.

It would give a clear definition between them and the gutter level of their parent’s behaviour and if I was their PR person this would be my best advice.

Whether they make any comment on their parents is a separate issue.

Personally I think the renouncing of titles would be enough and whatever type of relationship they then have with Andrew and Sarah can be a private issue.

I really think that giving up their titles would be helpful to them both in their future lives and would be a respectful gesture to anyone who has suffered at their father’s hands.

It does not mean they are personally guilty, it means they recognise the horror of it all.

I would also add that if they accept the truth of their father’s behaviour in particular then why would they want the titles he insisted upon?

A previous poster made reference to growing up with a sex offender so I will explain that my father was an abuser of women and children and there is nothing I have ever wanted from him and I have always gone out of my way to distance myself from any association, any tiny degree of resemblance, anything at all such is my disgust for him.

I suppose it comes down to whether Eugenie and Beatrice prefer to live in denial and keep the material comfort of being princesses or they want to face the truth however awful.

No. Why? What difference does it make?

I think there is a lot more to come out about B&E

Money was funnelled into their accounts from their father's dodgy friends. One lot was six figures as a wedding present. Also a diamond necklace worth £££££
And they are in the Middle East continually, probably taking over where their father left off.
They have supported him. Only a few weeks ago, Beatrice made a point of being photographed with her daughter and Andrew on a horse.

And Beatrice was full on instrumental in co-ordinating the catastrophic Newsnight interview.

They are grown women. They have wealthy husbands, little children. They can step back and lead a nice life. I hope they do because being saddled with parents like theirs, part of me thinks they deserve it.

(I would love to know how someone is adamant Eugenie wasn't a bridezilla! She possibly wasn't but what a sweeping statement to say she deffo wasn't!)

I'm not comparing behaviour, I'm saying if it were Meghan who had visited Epstein after his release from prison instead of B&E then I don't believe half the people defending the royal blood princesses would still have the same stance.

And you absolutely right, adults are responsible for how they behave, including going to visit a convicted sex offender as a grown adult.

She's not a working royal is? Is she meant to serve us? Does she get money from us? I don't know how it works, I assumed working royals got paid for it somehow but non working royals just have an inherited title which might impress some but means nothing to others.

It also makes people who had terrible parents uncomfortable. They are asking why blame us for our parents actions?

But B and E aren't in the same blameless boat. They have benefited enormously from their parents actions and friends.

And THAT'S WHY they are being questioned now.

All I know is your brain can very effectively protect you from certain uncomfortable realisations about your parents.

I don't think we have enough information to judge them. Have they themselves abused anyone or commited any crimes? Not that we're aware of. Can they see reality clearly and are immorally supporting their parents? Maybe yes, maybe no.

I think the law should deal with him.

And I think his daughters should be left alone.

Yes.

Although I'm French... I'd be happy to bring my guillotine over and we can start the Republic...

Exactly.

I don't blame B&E for their parents behaviour at all.

I blame them entirely for their own.

I think a bridezilla would want the scar hidden as it detracts from the perfect.

A very good suggestion.

They don’t need the titles for anything. They are both very wealthy. They should just move on and quietly get on with their lives.

I'm sorry for how your father was OP. Mine was similar (and the children he abused were me and dsis). But I didn't gain the clarity you did, at an early age. I commend you for that.

It literally only occurred to me at age 50 that he may have chosed his job as a teacher so he got access to children. And I'm basically an intelligent woman who has done a lot of healing.

Denial is a crazy thing.

If giving up their titles is a punishment then having those titles is a reward. And it's a reward they have done nothing to earn. It's very obvious that there benefits to having a title (JE wouldn't have been Andrew's pal if he hadn't been a prince). I'm not a monarchist though so would happily strip inherited titles from everyone.

Can you tell us what they've actually done? I haven't read "the book" I don't spend my time or money on royal books so fair enough if you don't want to enlighten me.

She isnt here to "serve us" she isnt a working Royal and she isnt paid by the public purse.
Yes she and her sister get invited to the best parties and hobnob with the rich and the famous, gets invited on luxury holidays but hell, who wouldnt in their situation?

What would be the point? They’re not working royals, they’re not funded by the Civil List (or whatever it’s called these days) and they’re only going to become less relevant over time.

We only see as much of them as we do now because they are the late Queen’s grandchildren, and she a) was a major part of the fabric of this country for decades - few living adults can remember a time without her - and b) she hasn’t even been gone five years yet. In 20 years, when (more than likely anyway) William is on the throne, will anyone be bothered about his adult cousins? When did you last hear anything in the press about David Linley? Could most people even pick Sarah Chatto out of a line-up?

They go every day to Royal Ascot sat in the carriages going up the racecourse with other Royals and titled people. They attend royal garden parties
I do hope they become irrelevant, fingers crossed

This^

@Delphiniumandlupins Epstein had many ‘friends’ who weren’t Princes.

On a separate point RF children like Zara can’t really win. If they have mundane jobs, they are deemed lazy, unintelligent and their lifestyle is funded by taxpayers. If they have something more high profile they only got the job because of being Royal

I also think that speaks volumes in regard to whether privileged and wealthy young women can be groomed. Imagine having a mother who sexualises their own (young adult) daughter to that extent and clearly sees offering sex as an intrinsic part of a woman's value. I think they were groomed and, like many young people, believed and trusted their parents, and for far longer than they should have. But I don't blame them for their parents' crimes and think elements of how this situation is unfolding have become an ugly spectacle.
I also think the time has come for them to think long and hard about what happens going forward, not just for the sake of public image but to unravel what must be going on in their own heads. There's something to be said for breaking the 'generational pain' cycle that Harry (+ William) has spoken about so I hope they're reflecting on how they do that and live decent lives knowing the reality of what their parents are truly capable of. I hope they do speak out when the time is right but I fear that would never be enough to satisfy those who believe they're responsible for dreadful behaviour and supporting the whole sick circle connected to Epstein.

They haven’t done anything wrong ! Why should they !