Should Beatrice and Eugenie voluntarily give up their titles if they want any public respect ever again?

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Just that really.
I think the only possible way forward for them is to choose to give up the princess thing, make a brief public statement in support of victims and to end their middle east business jaunts.

I feel the same @VictorianChic.

Can't say I particularly care really.

Neither of the the York hims indoors seem particularly sincere. Both have been happy to bask in reflected glory, strut in royal pap walks and parade in fake gongs.

I'm a bit more interested in when the graceless pair of 'blood princesses' are going to lose the keys to undeserved royal residences.

In principle I don't believe the sins of the fathers should be visited upon the children. From that viewpoint Beatrice and Eugenie should not be held responsible for Andrew and Sarah.

Having said that there seem to be a few things coming out that do make me question their judgement. I feel it would be wise for them to step back from appearing with the Royal family in public at least for a few years. They don't appear to have fantastic judgement about where they source their income and who they associate with.

I also think there is more to the Beatrice and eugenie story that’s going to come out, their lifestyles pre marriage, on low incomes, were they spending their own passive income, as it does look like to a certain extent Epstein was in some way supporting them, possibly not and it was just the occasional flight and holiday, asked for my Sarah, but I strongly suspect the palace is very wary, were they grifting and if so who from.

I also saw in the mail a video clip of eugenie blanking Kate in the early days, it looked a bit mean girl, deliberate, a bit we are royal and you’re beneath us, and part of me wonders if you grow up with parents like that, how much has it shaped them and what they are really like. Blanking the future queen was very short sighted indeed, and Kate was always going to be in a more powerful position than them.

they’ve had a rough ride to some extent, the dress sense alone has usually been grim, and they seem to be hangers on in the side lines, always desperate for a bigger part. They’ve both moved abroad, married, kids, and that’s lessened now, but when they were younger, it did feel like that. And I suspect it was andrew and Sarah shaping that and driving it.

the family is clearly fractured, and Anne and her kids, Edward and his, are all silent in the back ground.

Brightlittlecanary I agree with you. But now they've married and have little kids and we can only presume it's all hunky dory in that department, it is beyond me why they push themselves forward.
In the future they are going to get nothing but derision, so why put yourself through it?
When they both turned up for the Sandringham Christmas pap walk, I thought to myself... OK, brass neck, you are not going to change anything, you are not going to step back whilst your mother and father are all over the papers. I just think any normal person would decide to just take a back seat for a while. But not them!
I wonder if Andrew is forceful and told them they had to do the walk with the rest of the Royals. Or are they and their husbands perfectly happy with making sure they are seen? It's weird.

Only Eugenie is abroad, Beatrice is in the Cotswolds I believe.
Andrew Lownie has I think said that there is more about B&E but he was unable to put it in the book this time round.

How very sad, if the person who is meant to have your back, married you, not for yourself, but who your grandmother was. I’m not sure what that would do to me, tbh. I’d be devastated.

"...I also saw in the mail..."
That says it all!

I don't think that is the case with Beatrice and Eugenie, both married confident, well established, independent men.

Yes they should give up their titles which they have milked for all its worth. Eye watering amounts have been spent on their security untill recent years. They are a let down unfortunately....

Even if Beatrice did not remember surely at a birthday party others would? Pizza Express staff for example- other parents who took their kids? AMW made a big deal of why the reason he remembered is how rare it was for him to rock up at PE in Woking so how it is possible no one else recalls? If it was unique for him would be for B too?

Yes. But because of their involvement with Saudi rather than because of their father.

Have they said they don't remember? I haven't read that. I can say my DD had a birthday party at pizza express when she was 14 or 15. I can't say for certain which year it was and can only say it was a weekend, probably not her actual birthday. She's a similar age to Beatrice. Maybe other people have better memories than I have, the thing that surprises me is he can be exact about the date not that other people can't.

Sure but if the forner Prince Andrew dropped off his daughter at your child's party....you seriously wouldn't remember?

I'd remember he did it but 20 years later could I swear to the date,? Probably not. Two years ago I went to Buckingham Palace and met Price Edward at a gold dofe presentation
I know it was a Friday in May, well I think it was but I can't give you the date although in my case I could look back at my hotel booking and work it out.

Surely there would be security records?

Yes I am thinking it is odd noone can back this up, even if it meant checking a restaurant booking, etc

I todays Guardian:
Princess Eugenie has stepped down as patron of the UK charity Anti-Slavery International, the world’s oldest human rights organisation.

The decision follows the release by the US Department of Justice of millions of documents and emails relating to Jeffrey Epstein’s role in sexual abuse and trafficking women around the world, which have disgraced her father, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.

Of course they have - and they maybe back this up - but the reality is that a tween birthday party in a pizza restaurant is likely to be late afternoon - very early evening at a push - plenty time to scoot over the Annabel's for a non sweaty boogy and then raping a trafficked teenager at a sex party in a mews house - I doubt the sex party was scheduled for a Saturday afternoon….both could be true.

It's over 20 years ago Isnt it? I can't imagine restaurants keeping booking records for 30 years.

I used to work in police admin. We wouldn't have detailed records of everything an officer did 20 years ago, significant postings but not every minute of a shift. The officers pocket books would show it, well they should but some officers are better at filling them in than others Dont know if it's the same for royal protection officers.

That's very true

Same. Even assuming it was the only time he did it so it was just a question of isolating one single attendance, I wouldn't necessarily remember which date around little Timmy's birthday the party was. And this was just before the electronic records of everything stage kicked in.

Though yeah, also agree with pp it may not be an either/or anyway. How long is a typical pizza party, couple of hours? You could fit other things into the day.

I think Eugenie stepping down is probably best all round...