Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

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For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

Agreed. And with @Tonissister too.

I agree that they weren’t “fully formed adults” at 19 and 20. But they have been for a lot of years now. With an anti slavery charity.

The mind boggles why they'd have wanted anything to do with him when they were at this point fully aware of what he was (Andrew obviously knew years before this as he'd been in pizza express not meeting up with trafficked girls for sex, arranged by Epstein). It's even more mind boggling why you'd want your 2 young daughters anywhere near this man? Wasn't Epstein invited to Beatrice's 18th or 21st?

I imagine Beatrice and Eugenie were aware of what he'd gone to prison for, by that age you aren't a naive child completely unaware. Their parents would have been telling them he's fine, blinded by the ££££ that came with the association.

Agree with all of this, except their intelligence. There’s no way Newcastle University would have been the choice in any other circumstances than Oxbridge, St A’s, Durham, making it known she was too thick even for a Royal exception to entry requirements.

To be clear, I think Newcastle is a good university. But it wouldn’t have been top choice…

We don’t really know how aware the sisters were about JE . I hadn’t ever heard of him until recent years . Many late teens early 20s socialise with parents friends and aI reckon the parents of these 2 probably had brought their children up to not believe everything that is written about friends and family.
Obviously now they are learning more shit about their parents every day which must be awful and probably they are now having to make some very serious decisions regarding going forward.

"Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children."

Not children but it was also 16 years ago, did they even realise he'd been in jail and what for? They are royals and so probably live in a bubble with people laying everything out for them and so they probably didn't think anything of it, it was just a nice jaunt with mummy for them.

This isn't to excuse them more to point out that they who institution of a "royal family" who operate in such a way is really defunct in the 21st century and should be done away with.

Yes. He was in the heart of the royal family, along with Weinstein and Maxwell.

Lovely 🤮

The whole thing is an absolute disgrace and I have lost all positive support for the monarchy as a result.

in respect of these two princesses I don’t know them nor their values but maybe given the behaviour of the dad that’s why one of them set up or supported anti-slavery charity. Who knows. They should just go and live quietly with their families and be sure to never take favour or advantage of their “status” again.

as for the King - he now needs to speak up and blow a light on the whole nasty illegal and trauma enducing lifestyle of his brother etc. if Andrew was using Buckingham palace for his activities it’s even worse - that is not private house. It’s owned by the people. I want nothing to do with any of them.

this is not going away and at the end of it all are tens if not hundreds of women and young girls. No difference to the Rotherham et al grooming gangs - putting an intoxicated girl in a taxi vs a private plane - both examples are frighteningly in the same ballpark.

Shamima Begun is a disgrace too. Let’s not minimise her behaviour. I hope never to see that menace in this country again.

if Andrew was using Buckingham palace for his activities it’s even worse - that is not private house. It’s owned by the people

That's an interesting point. Yes, Andrew was using Buckingham Palace all the time. Maxwell was a frequent visitor there, sometimes going in and out up to 4 times a day, so much so, Andrew instructed Security officers not to log her visits.

Some russian woman was invited there for Andrew's benefit. Apparently he was forever getting masseuses to visit him. He invited Maxwell and Kevin Spacey there and there's pictures of them lolling about on the Royal thrones. And Epstein was invited there for tea or something.

We're not talking about tea at Claridges here... as you say the Palace is owned by the people and it's not some knocking shop for whoever fancies visiting.

I’m not trying to defend SF at all but I gather her upbringing was far from ideal.

Her mother left her when she was about twelve I think and moved to South America. So not exactly nearby. Her sister got married and moved to Australia at the same times.

Sarah’s father was caught in a massage parlour scandal and called his daughter “Ginger Bush” which is unsavoury to put it mildly. He did at least give her a home. But she apparently learnt her shameless blagging from him.

It’s just depressing how this generational trauma and dysfunction carries on in certain strands of these privileged entitled folk who outsource and abdicate responsibility for raising their dc to staff, and public schools, and endlessly shuttle their children around the globe, offering them no sense of responsibility or stability or purpose , except the acquisition of wealth and influence through mutual favours.

People who prioritise luxury lifestyles and wealth above the wellbeing of their own dc.

And these are the people who receive titles? Whom we should respect and revere?

I have always been a republican (as in not-pro monarchy, rather than other type over the pond) and was bemused by the fawning and sycophancy during the time of QE. KC always seemed to be in line for inheriting a poisoned chalice.

Now, though, the whole thing actually repulses me. What an absolute state. The whole edifice is beyond repair.

This lot have lived high on the hog for generations at our expense, with no worry of being held to account for their actions. Enough is enough.

In my lifetime I have spoken to many people who have suffered far worse childhoods than Sarah. They don't go on to do what she has. I have no doubt whatsoever that it had an effect on her but she was absolutely loaded at one point and could have had her pick of therapy and counsellors.

Given her upbringing I am amazed that she really was not the Mother of the Year despite asserting herself to be... she put herself first and relied on nannies.
And you're right Sarah did prioritise a luxury lifestyle and wealth above her own children.

I just hope that Beatrice and Eugenie can access any help they might need if their eyes are slowly opening. Not sure that's happening to Beatrice yet.

I think these young women were not in a position of power in their dysfunctional family. So, i have some sympathy for them in that they are not responsible for the sins of their father (literally) . We dont know their version of events,what their thoughts are or why they chose (if they did/had any choice) to go along with their parents strange/awful decisions perhaps immature (having led sheltered lives),perhaps damaged form the clearly dysfunctional family set up or perhaps coerced ?
Andrew and Sarah seem damaged,dysfunctional truly awful but i dont think we can consider Beatrice and Eugenie in the same vein ...

Yes I agree of course, Many children are brought up in less than ideal circumstances without a penny to their name, and manage to live productive lives and enjoy stable relationships.

Having read Entitled, and the way Lownie described SF’s hot and cold friendships , erratic, manic spending and consumption - the multiple joints of meat at dinner for example and the truck loads of luggage, the relentless schedule of holidays - the endless buying and giving of overly generous presents; I do suspect some sort of mh issue in Sarah’s case, By all accounts she allowed her first older boyfriend to treat her abysmally.

But as you say, she had access to the best therapists on the world! And she has earned and spent more money than any of us will see in a lifetime and the profligacy and greed she has demonstrated is sickening, especially when expectations on her, back in the day, were pretty low tbh.

She could have divorced, owned her own home, gone on skiiing holidays, turned up at Balmoral occasionally. It’s not as though she had to work for a living?

Or was the source of her issues originally the poor divorce settlement from the RF? Either way, she is unredeemingly appalling, as is her former husband.

Where is the information any of them celebrated his release? I was going to read the details before forming an opinion, as anyone should, but my Google search skills are failing me.

100% I hope this really is the beginning of the end of the whole ‘royal’ family - there must be so much more that we don’t know about. That’s the reason they haven’t thrown Andrew to the legal system - it’s because he knows where the bodies are buried.

I agree.
But I have read that her divorce settlement was really not as poor as she would like to make out. She was looked after. Somewhere there are figures that contradict what she used to say... maybe it was in the Lownie book actually, but given its on an Ereader, I can't plough through it to find!

One thing that has always puzzled me... they got divorced yet she carried on living on a Crown Estate. Why? I'm sick of the best friends, rock of a man, most honourable man bullshit. And why did Charles not say... why is your ex wife living on a Crown Estate and not making her own way. We will have been bankrolling her for decades. It was bad enough that QE2 bailed her out of bankruptcies repeatedly.

I wonder what her daughters thought of all this appalling wasteful spending. Now that, they will have seen.

I do think that Andrew literally does know where ALL the bodies are buried. And there are literally millions

She’s a fool if she doesn’t realise she’s only been tolerated by people because of her connection to the rf. Did she really think people were dazzled by her personality 😳😂

I agree about them probably being « young » 19/20 year olds, however they are grown women now. Surely some sort of joint statement from them in support of the victims is the least they could do. Given the rest of KC’s grandchildren (apart from William’s) aren’t Princesses, surely it would be a polite and strategic thing to lose the titles.

One thing that has always puzzled me... they got divorced yet she carried on living on a Crown Estate. Why? I'm sick of the best friends, rock of a man, most honourable man bullshit. And why did Charles not say... why is your ex wife living on a Crown Estate and not making her own way. We will have been bankrolling her for decades. It was bad enough that QE2 bailed her out of bankruptcies repeatedly.

I think it's because they were a couple who wouldn't have divorced if it hadn't been for the press photos.

They announced their separation after the photos of her daughters with Steve Wyatt, but they weren't ever going to actually divorced imo. They were both having affairs, and would likely have just muddled along (like several other royal couples have) had those photos not appeared. The toe sucking photos the few months later then meant there had to be a divorce.

Had it not been for them they'd have plodded along in their marriage - the whole Duke and Duchess thing suited them both, clearly neither has any interest in another full on relationship and they may have actually got back together (lots of rumours that they'd have remarried after his father died has this thing not kicked off).

I think the RF have clearly seen her as his partner all these years, hence her being around.

If you go into the files in detail, Andy is much more than a grifter. He’s complicit in extreme abuse. SF is a grifter who got used time and time again though. Zero sympathy. Jail the lot or treat them as they treated the children. Ideally treat them as they treated the children.

Yes, I did think that. Very weird though. As a PP said, she could have had a nice life not tied to the Royals and living on a Royal estate.

And why do they seem to have spectacularly fallen out now... why isn't she going to his new royal estate gaff...
so many unanswered questions 🤣

I thought SF was an idiot as early as 1986. She was an embarrassment then and she’s an embarrassment now. As for the husband; well turns out they were a good match. No wonder the daughters are like they are.