Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

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For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

The fact that they (especially Beatrice) have still continued to associate with their father after all this horrific stuff has come to light also speaks volumes.

They are a product of their environment. I could imagine JE was just another creepy nasty face in an ocean of creepy nasty faces.

If you read the American press you will see quite how many rich, successful, intelligent (in some ways) men that Epstein was able to manipulate and charm. Two young women (who, judging by their parents, are unlikely to be the brightest sparks) wouldn't stand a chance. He was an expert scammer. Leave them alone. Epstein has already destroyed too many young women and girls lives.

The creepiness of some of the men in their correspondence with him is far more revolting.

He's still their father. As despicable as he is, he's still their dad.

OP you're unduly harsh. They aren't independent 19/20yos. They didn't know.

Maybe they just love their Mum?

Oh don’t be so stupid, he’s their Dad!

If it was my father I certainly wouldn’t be associating with him ever again.
I suspect she’s thinking of her future inheritance when he dies so needs to keep in with him.
The daughters are surely both fully aware of what was going on, goodness knows Ferguson seems to be as indiscreet as it’s ever possible to be.

Easy to say that, much harder to actually never see him again.

Plenty of children of sex offenders still have contact with their father. It's really not unusual.

Whole bus loads of young women 17 to 27 thought nothing of spending hours and days with Epstein.
And their parents dropped them off to 'work'.

Do we call them fully informed and intentionally making bad choices.
Or do we call them duped, taken in by charisma, not fully capable of seeing behind the facade of Epstein's caring and helpful persona?

Young women and their parents judge Epstein soley by how they, themselves, were treated; they judge by what they experience and see. Epstein obviously kept many sordid things secret. He was a master manipulator.

Why would royal people not also be capable of being used and manipulated?
Sarah, Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie would not have risked their own safety. Of course they had the wool pulled over their eyes. This wicked, wicked man tricked many. Did he also drug them? He secretly photographed many. Did he blackmail?
Did he steal secrets? Report as a spy? We need proper answers. It serves no purpose to gang up on those he used.

I agree, I grew up in a very sheltered and controlled setting and married an older man (whom I didn't love) when I was just 20 because it pleased everyone. I was a baby still - had never lived alone, food shopped, done any housework, holidayed independently - and swapped one controlled setting for another quite happily. I didn't know it was wrong until years later. Now is the time for both B and E to choose which path to travel.

With parents like that it’s highly unlikely they’re innocent, they will have learnt from day one how to use their positions and trade on the royal connection. They seem to spend an awful lot of time on holiday or hanging out in the Middle East and both have snagged rich husbands who don’t seem to do an awful lot - isn’t one a ‘tequila ambassador’ or something? And there are stories of generous birthday presents from JE - must be easy to ignore all the unpleasantness when you’re distracted by cash. I think they’re as bad as their talentless, grasping embarrassment of a mother.

Previously I felt sorry for them and the sins of their father

Now...not so sure.

I don't think they were that savvy at the time. They are definitely aware of everything now, though, hence the distancing. It must be difficult, incredibly so, when your parents are such utterly desperate people, but I believe full nc will come soon. Unless, of course, SF goes to live with the one in Portugal.

This, you can’t have it both ways OP. Are 19 year olds helpless victims or responsible for their actions?

Exactly- totally agree

It’s also easy to forget that this was 2009. Social media was in its infancy, smartphone penetration was a lot lower, the uk based mainstream media likely didn’t cover it and most people outside the US and likely within it never heard of Epstein till 2019. It’s easy to judge knowing what we know today but they likely didn’t.

It was a different world then though. Teens now are far more ‘world aware’ because of the internet and social media.

Two very mollycoddled teens back then wouldn’t have had access to the amount of information they would today.

Andrew Lownie’s book makes it clear the whole family are loathsome and corrupt. So much of the money AMW and SF have grifted from terrible people and regimes over the years has been funnelled away for ‘the girls’ so it can’t be touched. In turn, ‘the girls’ bail their parents out.

AMW and SF are notoriously thick (as well as all their other faults), so I think it unlikely B&E are overflowing with brains.

Did they meet him at his NY house ? By all accounts the house was full of unsavory and weird artwork that some adults (bill gates wife for one) found very offensive.

19&20 mean they would remember the meeting and knew their father lied about cutting off contact with Epstein on that Matlis interview for example so yes I will judge them.

They have earnt a fortune on the back of their royal titles and they are tainted by association with both their parents.

Young women and men all over the world are affected in their life opportunities by what their parents do why should they be exempt.

Now would be a good time for Charles to declare that going only children of the heir get prince/princess titles and that their children don’t and strip them of their princess titles. By all accounts they make much of them being princesses ‘by blood’ and that genetic legacy from their parents is irredeemably tainted now.

Well, for a start, stop calling them “girls”. They are in their late 30s.

Ffs. They're leeches - same as parents. Apparently, living in appropriate rent accommodation; albeit Royal Palaces with husbands who can't believe their luck! Managed to breed as well so on gravy train forever!

So back in 2009 I spent a bit of time with Beatrice and a bit with Fergie. Beatrice was an extra in a film which I was involved with and Fergie was one of the producers. Beatrice was lovely, happy to sit around with the other extras for hours/days on end. I did get the impression her mum was a total whirlwind and organised everything and that Beatrice went along /did what she was told. She was very sweet, bit naive.

i always thought it was odd that Fergie was a producer and have just googled to see if Epstein was linked to the film. It’s not overly clear but seems Fergie was asking him to host a screening. I wonder if any vists at around this time were trying to get him to help fund screenings, etc.

i can’t remember ever hearing about Epstein at the time. Was his arrest in the U.K. papers back then? Maybe. But it’s possible that Beatrice and Eugenie didn’t know?? My Dd is early 20s and takes no notice of the news, doesn’t read papers, etc. If Fergie/Andrew hadn’t told the girls maybe they genuinely didn’t know. Maybe their parents told them it was all a load of made up rubbish and they believed them? Yes they’re adults but at that age they’re quite gullible still. No excuses for Andrew and Fergie who are vile.

Beatrice and Eugenie are not tax payer funded. Im pretty sure they didnt know the full extent of Epsteins misdemeanors and must have been horrified when stuff started leaking out about their fathers behaviour. But this is mumsnet so lets just blame 2 young women whose only crime really is to have a pair of dickheads for parents😡

Need to know more @vicfilm! I vaguely remember some awful p* take re cameo! Loathe all the buggers (literal re Mountbatten plus didn't give a shit because she could carry on thieving wife). Always thought Ginger was a 'Beard'.