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Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

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TheRealGossipGirl · 02/02/2026 22:50

For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

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Muddyotter567 · 03/02/2026 17:08

simpsonthecat · 03/02/2026 16:19

I agree.
But I have read that her divorce settlement was really not as poor as she would like to make out. She was looked after. Somewhere there are figures that contradict what she used to say... maybe it was in the Lownie book actually, but given its on an Ereader, I can't plough through it to find!

One thing that has always puzzled me... they got divorced yet she carried on living on a Crown Estate. Why? I'm sick of the best friends, rock of a man, most honourable man bullshit. And why did Charles not say... why is your ex wife living on a Crown Estate and not making her own way. We will have been bankrolling her for decades. It was bad enough that QE2 bailed her out of bankruptcies repeatedly.

I wonder what her daughters thought of all this appalling wasteful spending. Now that, they will have seen.

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That’s interesting about the divorce settlement! I must look at the details too once I get my hands on the book.

And I’d forgotten about QE2 paying off her debts.

I recall reading somewhere that SF first came back to live with PA because her house burnt down. Maybe that was in Entitled too?

It’s interesting why no one questioned their co-habitation very much until recent events? SF was skilled at putting across the “best friend”, “divorced but happy” stories in the press, but apparently didn’t speak fondly at all of AMW in private.

NewAgeNewMe · 03/02/2026 17:09

@GreenGodiva my heart goes out to you.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/02/2026 17:11

nevernotmaybe · 03/02/2026 15:01

Where is the information any of them celebrated his release? I was going to read the details before forming an opinion, as anyone should, but my Google search skills are failing me.

Leaked emails suggest that Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” the release of paedophile Jeffrey Epstein from prison. In one email sent by the disgraced financier to Paul Tweed, his UK-based lawyer, in April 2011, Epstein claims that the then Duchess was so desperate to cosy up to him that “she was the first to celebrate” his release from jail “with her two daughters in tow”.

I am including the link but sorry if it doesn't work as MN is notoriously hit and miss with them.

Sarah Ferguson, Beatrice and Eugenie 'visited Epstein after prison release'

New emails sent by the paedophile financier claim that Sarah Ferguson rushed to see Epstein after he was released from prison, along with her daughters.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2123332/sarah-ferguson-prison-visit-jeffery-epstein-beatrice-eugenie/amp

Muddyotter567 · 03/02/2026 17:12

JustAnotherWhinger · 03/02/2026 16:51

One thing that has always puzzled me... they got divorced yet she carried on living on a Crown Estate. Why? I'm sick of the best friends, rock of a man, most honourable man bullshit. And why did Charles not say... why is your ex wife living on a Crown Estate and not making her own way. We will have been bankrolling her for decades. It was bad enough that QE2 bailed her out of bankruptcies repeatedly.

I think it's because they were a couple who wouldn't have divorced if it hadn't been for the press photos.

They announced their separation after the photos of her daughters with Steve Wyatt, but they weren't ever going to actually divorced imo. They were both having affairs, and would likely have just muddled along (like several other royal couples have) had those photos not appeared. The toe sucking photos the few months later then meant there had to be a divorce.

Had it not been for them they'd have plodded along in their marriage - the whole Duke and Duchess thing suited them both, clearly neither has any interest in another full on relationship and they may have actually got back together (lots of rumours that they'd have remarried after his father died has this thing not kicked off).

I think the RF have clearly seen her as his partner all these years, hence her being around.

That’s interesting and makes sense!

What the public see is very different to reality on many fronts … .

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/02/2026 17:13

Fodencat · 03/02/2026 17:01

I thought SF was an idiot as early as 1986. She was an embarrassment then and she’s an embarrassment now. As for the husband; well turns out they were a good match. No wonder the daughters are like they are.

That footage of her trying to whip up the crowd from the palace Balcony will never not make me cringe. The Queens face is thunderous!

MyTrivia · 03/02/2026 17:15

PollyBell · 03/02/2026 02:00

so 2 women are to blame for a man's action?

Andrew and Fergie are both awful people so it seems unlikely that their daughters would be any different.

Autumngirl5 · 03/02/2026 17:17

I disagree and feel sorry for the girls. I don’t think they realised what Epstein was really like and I would have gone along with what my mother wanted me to at that age.
Their parents are disgusting.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/02/2026 17:20

Autumngirl5 · 03/02/2026 17:17

I disagree and feel sorry for the girls. I don’t think they realised what Epstein was really like and I would have gone along with what my mother wanted me to at that age.
Their parents are disgusting.

They are 35 and 37 years old. Most definitely not girls.

Vixenlover · 03/02/2026 17:21

JLou08 · 03/02/2026 00:23

Weren't a lot of the girls/women reported to be trafficked around that age? Why are they victims but Beatrice and Eugene are in the wrong?
I wouldn't say anyone's a fully grown adult at 19/20, even less so ones that had grown up in a protective bubble and not experienced the real world to the same degree as the general public.

Yes, as far as we know they may have been groomed to see Epstein’s behaviour as normal/acceptable, or they were somehow persuaded that his conviction was unfair.

Autumngirl5 · 03/02/2026 17:25

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/02/2026 17:20

They are 35 and 37 years old. Most definitely not girls.

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I was referring to the lunch they attended with their mother when they were around 19 years old.
It is sad how the British public are turning on them.

GoldenPearls · 03/02/2026 17:25

MrMischief · 03/02/2026 03:42

All four of them repulse me. The documents from when A was trade envoy need unlocking (why on earth was that allowed?). There needs to be an investigation into their finances.

Will B&E throw their parents under the bus over this? I don’t believe for one second they are naive to all these issues, but there is no way I would want Sarah and Andy anywhere near my kids.

Put them all in the Tower.

too late to thrown them under any bus, the daughters were visiting there all the time and are in the files

JustAnotherWhinger · 03/02/2026 17:26

Yes, I did think that. Very weird though. As a PP said, she could have had a nice life not tied to the Royals and living on a Royal estate.
And why do they seem to have spectacularly fallen out now... why isn't she going to his new royal estate gaff...
so many unanswered questions 🤣

I think had she realised how long lived Prince Philip was going to be and then how this would erupt then she may have gone and found a wealthy man happy to live off her name/connections to fund her.

I think she full expected to be HRH The Duchess of York again in time.

Philip was said to be furious that she'd been caught with the photos. Not the affairs, that's standard for royals, but you don't get caught. Especially not the woman. And growing up round the royals she should have known that discretion was the name of the game.

She was always on the Sandringham Estate at Christmas, which whilst not in the main house isn't exactly slumming it.

It would be very interesting to know why they've fallen out now - is she furious he hung in too long and has risked their y titles, or is she furious he's given in and taken a new place without her? That would be curious to know.

GoldenPearls · 03/02/2026 17:27

MidnightScroller · 03/02/2026 03:56

I bet they don’t really understand why he was in prison and both parents would’ve dismissed any concerns.
Parents might have wanted them around Epstein to show him/the world that he was trustworthy and they trusted him around their kids. Similar to drag queen story hour and parents using their kids to show how woke they are in Shock

these are not women who were young kids at the time or lack mental capacity. Your judgement is weird and resting on no evidence

GoldenPearls · 03/02/2026 17:29

MissingSockDetective · 03/02/2026 04:31

Actually, I was hoping they themselves weren't exposed to things or abused. As young girls they would have been around quite a few predatory characters by the sound of it. They would have been potentially quite vulnerable.

even worse, do their own parents did something to them

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/02/2026 17:29

Autumngirl5 · 03/02/2026 17:25

I was referring to the lunch they attended with their mother when they were around 19 years old.
It is sad how the British public are turning on them.

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Still adults. Still old enough to say "Jeffery Epstein whose just come out of prison for some horrondous sex offences against minors? Yeah, no thanks mother".

The only girls I have any sympathy for are the ones who had no choice to be in Epstein's company and suffered unspeakable horrors from it.

Crucible · 03/02/2026 17:30

I think SF would have married Epstein in a heartbeat. That 'throwaway' marry me in the email was intended to plant a seed ..🤮

IdaGlossop · 03/02/2026 17:30

I feel sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie because they have to live the rest of their lives knowing everyone knows just how ghastly their parents are. Sadly, proximity to Andrew and Fergie will have tainted them. That means they should accept they must live privately and have no role at all in the public-facing Royal family. Fortunately, they have wealthy husbands, children and jobs. The monarchy is struggling for relevance among younger generations. William is the last chance to save it. The last thing he will need is any reminder of his licentious, dishonest, money-grabbing uncle and suster-in-law.

simpsonthecat · 03/02/2026 17:32

Muddyotter567 · 03/02/2026 17:08

That’s interesting about the divorce settlement! I must look at the details too once I get my hands on the book.

And I’d forgotten about QE2 paying off her debts.

I recall reading somewhere that SF first came back to live with PA because her house burnt down. Maybe that was in Entitled too?

It’s interesting why no one questioned their co-habitation very much until recent events? SF was skilled at putting across the “best friend”, “divorced but happy” stories in the press, but apparently didn’t speak fondly at all of AMW in private.

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They lived in separate wings of Royal Lodge, it was big enough to do that.

simpsonthecat · 03/02/2026 17:33

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/02/2026 17:13

That footage of her trying to whip up the crowd from the palace Balcony will never not make me cringe. The Queens face is thunderous!

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I totally agree. I remember watching it at the time and thinking FFS... stop using the british public like that. It's crass

simpsonthecat · 03/02/2026 17:35

Autumngirl5 · 03/02/2026 17:25

I was referring to the lunch they attended with their mother when they were around 19 years old.
It is sad how the British public are turning on them.

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Perhaps Beatrice ought to stop schmoozing middle eastern countries then. That is what her father did repeatedly. And Eugenie has been going out there too

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/02/2026 17:35

Crucible · 03/02/2026 17:30

I think SF would have married Epstein in a heartbeat. That 'throwaway' marry me in the email was intended to plant a seed ..🤮

It's the part in the same sentence where she says about being at his service that raised my eyebrows. I guess she could mean with access and stuff but my first thought was to wonder if she was prostituting herself.

Crucible · 03/02/2026 17:40

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/02/2026 17:35

It's the part in the same sentence where she says about being at his service that raised my eyebrows. I guess she could mean with access and stuff but my first thought was to wonder if she was prostituting herself.

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Agree. I've read another where she has said to Epstein that she was hurt because it turns out all he wanted was access to Andrew (he'd had a child at some point and she was congratulating him). I think she thought he wanted her - and could spin it into something. He only wanted access to her idiot of an ex. Quelle Surprise.

godmum56 · 03/02/2026 17:55

Tonissister · 02/02/2026 23:02

At that age, a lot of teenagers are still very much under their parents' thumb and dependent on their approval, finances etc. I think it is easy at that age to feel coerced into social occasions, imagining they are fun without giving them too much thought. They'd have to be very independent to see what these manipulative adults were really like, and not be influenced by their parents' attitudes, and they were probably raised not to be independent critical thinkers, but to keep mummy and daddy happy. You are being harsh.

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I agree.

GoldenPearls · 03/02/2026 18:02

TheNightIMetYou · 03/02/2026 11:49

Good god. So between 2 threads I’m reading I’m supposed to believe that 20 year olds don’t ask what they’re going to New York for, who they’re seeing, wouldn’t realise that JE was bad even though he’d been to prison for procuring a child for prostitution etc and also that William as a 40 year old man can’t say no to his father when told to drive Andrew somewhere in public view. Lol.

The minimisers really are getting desperate. it’s all falling apart.

I am so glad this board seems to be changing is now talking about the important issues in the RF and attention is being drawn to all of this.

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there are a lot of rich royalist women on here, some might be even relatives to the RF

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