Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

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For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

It is said that Epstein bankrolled Sarah for a great number of years, so when she tried to wriggle out of her £15K cash injection from Epstein with a statement that upset him, she probably had a complete panic that the flow of money was going to dry up

Well I’ve just seen ‘Breaking News’ that SF had an affair with JE.

Dodgy re, say tax evasion, or dodgy re, sex with a minor? Big difference.

Loving and caring parents? Crikey

As they experienced them, yes. That’s true for lots of kids, even if they did experience neglect & abuse in some ways. But if their overwhelming feeling is that their parents loved them, then they wouldn’t have particularly questioned their parents’ decisions. Particularly if they are Royal because they are different by definition anyway.

The article posted claimed she built houses. The original Osborne was bought for herself, occupied during new works then demolished while new work continued so we're circling back to my original point.

Edward 7th gifted it to the nation because neither he nor any of the other royals wanted to be saddled with maintaining it so not a particularly altruistic move.

Whatever.

Monuments?

😮

Where can we find this?

Was Sarah really that craven and cynical or just galactically stupid?

Beatrice was 23 there, consulted on wording to a journalist and present for the subsequent downplaying call.

I think craven, cynical and galactically stupid apply to her too.

Google can help you with that….

Also, it sounds like you were expecting Victoria would be out there doing the bricklaying herself? I think we can agree that didn’t happen! But demolishing an existing house to build something entirely different sounds like “building” to me.

It did and came up with nothing as you no doubt also found 😀

The claim was 'building houses and monuments' which implies some level of public mindedness and philanthropy.

I think we can agree there's precious little evidence of that in your example.

My example was a house Victoria built that was gifted to the nation on her death. Sounds like philanthropy to me….

Nice try 😁 but it was gifted to the nation purely because no-one else wanted to maintain it.

Yes it was ' gifted to the nation' a bit like that rubbish dump in Wigan. Because its a white elephant that the Royals didnt want to maintain. Victoria should have done her actual job. That would have been more useful than Osborne House, rather than spend 40 years in mourning flirting with equerries in Balmoral.

Yes it was ' gifted to the nation' a bit like that rubbish dump in Wigan. Because its a white elephant that the Royals didnt want to maintain.

Quite.

And while modern day royals don't tend to be quite so blatant in off-loading white elephants (Wigan land dump excepted) it's amazing how many of their properties are handed over to 'charities' for maintenance conveniently relieving them of the responsibility while retaining associated perks.

Castle of Mey

Dumfries House

The gardens at Highgrove with the gardeners still inexplicably expected to attend to private areas.

And let's not forget the unexplained but heavily spiralled costs in refurbing BP apparently necessitating massive uplifts in Sovereign Grant provision.

And let's not forget the unexplained but heavily spiralled costs in refurbing BP apparently necessitating massive uplifts in Sovereign Grant provision.

Well... let's just see on that shall we? It's a 10 year renovation costing £369million and the Sovereign Grant is due for a review this year

The Sovereign Grant is designed to drop in percentage of profit, but not necessarily in cash terms if the Crown Estate continues to generate high profits. Which is why it went up by 53% last financial year. It's gone up by £100million (tripled) since 2012 whilst spending on education has dropped by 11% in the same period.
This should all be reducing in 2027. I have the date in my diary and will be chaining myself to the railings of BP if this doesn't happen because it's obscene. I wish I were joking, we all need to stand up to this massive amount paid out to the Royals. They need to cut back like everyone else

Gifted to the nation is an interesting concept. I have just read an interesting book about the aristocracy and I hadn't realised when properties are given to the national trust they also have to give a large some of cash as well to help with maintenance costs.

I would propose the RF should do similar with many of their properties. They should then become self funding.

I would love total transparency on their security costs as I suspect that would tip most people into thinking we don't need a RF any more.

Norman Baker has the renovation costs starting at way under £369m and deemed within the scope of existing SG payments on two occasions.

The £369m figure then seems to have been floated by the palace and accepted by acquiescent politicians without any question.

Apparently C3 trousers some £10m a year from BP ticket sales.

Why isn't that being chucked into the repairs pot?

I would propose the RF should do similar with many of their properties. They should then become self funding.

You can’t have heard of the Historic Royal Palaces Charity, which is exactly that? It manages the Tower of London, Hampton Court, the State Rooms of Kensington Palace, the Whitehall Banqueting House, Kew Palace and Hillborough Castle to provide public access and conserve them.

We really don't know what they were told about it all by their parents & their loyalties would lie with them so they'd probably support their parents decisions not fully understanding the truth of it all. They probably didn't want to speak out against their parents 'friend' to save family arguments. It's a touch one as they were old enough to understand but how many of us at their ages (at that time) would stand up against our parents? I think they'll distance themselves from their parents now all this is out in the open about how close they were to a convicted paedophile.

We’ve already had royal family members pretending to distance themselves from each other and from unsavoury people, and that’s turned out to be a load of duplicitous crap.

B&E are themselves playing a PR game, with ‘sources to Beatrice and Eugenie’ (ie them) using that ghastly phrase ‘the York girls …’. They know it infantilises them, which suits them just fine, as it takes attention of the fact they’re women in their late thirties who have business contacts in the Middle East that were handed to them by their parents and Daniel Stern, all pals of Epstein, as were they.

I don’t think their reputations will survive the paperback edition of Lownie book or Norman Baker’s latest, let alone release of daddy’s Trade Envoy papers.

To a point I have some sympathy-just going along with what your parents want as you have done since a kid.

But the pic of JE & AW is Central Park is what-15yrs ago?

That's when they should have stopped going along with anything.

How stupid was AMW to be seen out with JE?

There’s a fascinating story about how that picture was obtained.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/12/how-the-only-known-photo-of-prince-andrew-and-the-pedophile-happened

I think B and E are potentially in dangerous territory now that presumably their father's equipment has been seized.

I think they've probably helped to bail their parents out by assisting in various financially dubious practices. All of which will also put them in line for investigation.

They can't claim ignorance.

I do wonder how attractive these girls were to suitors as the daughters of a prince. Neither were particularly comely.

I think if I was the York daughters, I would take the bull by the horns and say from now, on I’d be dropping the HRH Princess title and would be Mrs whatever husbands are called.