Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

[TheRealGossipGirl]

For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

Indeed!

Agree. It’s got nothing to do with them. I remember being upset that my dad was still friendly with a dodgy uncle, when I was that age. It hurt, but we lived in a “sweep it under the carpet” era. I couldn’t really express how I felt, I wasn’t mature enough at the time to confront my dad about it. It’s history now…

They have grown up being waited on hand and foot, watching their father bully and demean staff and anyone else beneath him, extramarital affairs, lying, cheating, endless unearned privilege, @TheRealGossipGirl, do you seriously think there is a possibility that these two women have had the opportunity to develop a healthy sense of self and personal ethical code?

I think E and B go to Ascot as guests of the monarch. They don’t get to expect to go but obviously enjoy it.

I don’t think young adults know everything about their parents. And who really thinks Fergie was telling the truth? Who really celebrates with student age dc over this? It’s a load of rubbish, and I’m no way draws these women into the web. They are not working Royals and don’t do much or get seen much. As it should be.

Couldn’t agree more - the Andrew Lownie books should be mandatory. Pleased to see that some posters have read and referenced the books.

I’d like to see everyone turning a critical eye on the whole Royal family and how they are using power to help themselves get even richer.

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they are mid/late 30's. calling them girls is a way of patronising and makes it seem like an excuse.

Agreed. I remember at their age I was still living at home with my parents. Whilst I had a job, I was still expected to do "family stuff" ie join my parents for family gatherings, social occasions etc. It wasn't until I moved out that I began saying no to stuff.

My dad was a bully and would try to strong arm me into attending social occasions. Even after I was married, he would still try to apply pressure and would turn nasty if I ever said no. It was often easier to give in and go along. So we don't know whether Beatrice and Eugenie have had a difficult upbringing with a volatile manipulative bully as a parent. It is really difficult to stand up to them. Maybe, until we can be sure of that, we shouldn't judge them by their parents' behaviour. Maybe they really had no choice.

I would like to know why Beatrice is still aligned with her father's old cronies in the Middle East. Why was she hosting an afternoon tea party in the Ritz Hotel in Riyadh last October? How much was she paid? Are KC3 and PW aware of what her motives are for these trips? Are they so thick or unware that they don't know what she is doing?

I don't want to see them at all. I don't care who invites them. They sit in horse drawn carriages at Ascot, they do the Christmas pap walk, they do garden parties. They obviously have a channel to the inner Royal family, I think they should step back. But the Yorks never do what they should.

They’re here @BitOutOfPractice
https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity

Yep. It was literally just after dear daddy was booted out of Royal Lodge if he ever leaves

The invitation in Saudi Arabia was "We cordially invite you for Afternoon Tea with Princess Beatrice of York"

So from one meeting where they were still fairly young adults and with their parents, where there was perhaps pressure on them to "come with Mummy to keep me company darling" cos she definitely seems that type, you're surmising {mention:TheRealGossipGirl}that@TheRealGossipGirlthat the princesses are part of the paedophile ring? Really?

I feel sorry for them finding out this week that their supposedly loving father sent his dodgy mate photos of his own kids. Imagine if this was Johnny down the road sending photos of his kids to the local paedo!

I think shifting the blame onto 2 young women who probably knew him from childhood is being unfair. Teenagers are still protected by their parents to a degree. and will often see the good in people .Humans are rarely black and white ,good or evil He probably put his best face forward .As far as I know Eugenie is estranged from Andrew now .Beatrice may be next!

I think what's coming is the more telling. If the daughters keep away from their parents then you'll know they are more in tune with correct and public thinking.

If we see them hanging around with their parents all the time, rallying around them then no, they are not decent people.

If these people had been my parents, I'd have walked away, maybe not at 19, most deffo now though.

I was decades older before I walked away from my mother.

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Even after this all broke recently, Beatrice made herself known driving to Royal Lodge to see her father
Then a few weeks later taking her daughter riding with Andrew

I can't see Beatrice cutting contact. Eugenie maybe

I see where @Tonissister is coming from here, a lot of young adults are still supported by their parents until mid 20s, I was at university at 19 and still 80% dependant on my parents financially. I would expect them to feel differently about now though.

Me too.

I think it's plausible that Beatrice and Eugenie didn't read the news (I imagine royal children are encouraged not to) and just believed what their parents told them.

But you're assuming that they believed it.

How could you believe Daddy would ever do that? What an awful daughter you are, we've given you everything and you believe those lies!

It's incredibly hard to believe a parent could do this if they've not abused you directly. Even as an older woman with kids and with the words coming from his own mouth. Your brain wants to just find a way round it. You are effectively grieving for the death of a parent who's still there but isn't any longer the person you trusted them to be.

So yeah, of course Uncle J is innocent darling, let's just show our faces. Of course Daddy wouldn't do that!!

. Yeah, at 19/20 I'd have chosen to believe my Dad couldn't hurt someone because the alternative rips your whole life into shreds.

Eugene has apparently cut ties, hopefully Beatrice will too. The reality is going to be too hard to ignore and if he'll send photos of his children, why wouldn't he send photos of his grandkids? So yeah, they need to start making better choices. Hipeful9their husbands are from less screwed up families and the wider Royals can help.

But laying any blame on them for being a part of this is ridiculous. Saying they're complicit or were complicit at that age due to one party is massively over reaching

No, I would 100% have gone along with my awful parents at that age. They were almost entirely cosseted.

I'm not sure the name JE was reliably reported in the media at the time? So possible neither B or E would have been aware of his sentence.

Remember also they endured lots of cringe media moments, I'm thinking SF having her toes sucked by a Texan.

The whole financial Middle East element feels sleezy, there was also another Royal grandchild selling milk on Chinese media, exploiting his royal connections.

But, at ages 18 and 20, they visited after the famous pizza hut statement their father made in his interview so they knew it was a lie that their father had cut ties

I know this article was written before the very latest pictures emerged from the Epstein files, but according to Tatler, the RF plus a wider circle of friends, seem to have declared their support for the Princesses …

https://www.tatler.com/article/princess-beatrice-and-princess-eugenies-circle-of-support

What I don’t think was particularly wise, given present circumstances, was Beatrice’s decision to hold a meeting with the Secretary-General of the Muslim World League at the WEF in David fhs!

The organisation shared a photo of Beatrice having a discussion with H.E. Sheikh Dr Mohammed Alissa. In the accompanying post, the group said the pair discussed ‘a number of topics

One because it appears like she is carrying on as usual with no thought given to victims of Epstein and it shows no understanding that sometimes, when you are associated with someone in disgrace, you just need to keep your head down. And two it speaks to a rather inflated sense of self importance,

Nor did Beatrice show good judgment over the infamous Newsnight interview.

I am sorry for them that they have been born in to the middle of this mess, but surely they realise that they can no longer, aged mid-thirties, be seen to be benefiting or profiting from their association with their father in any way.

Blaming two young women is pointless. Their farther is a pervert and abuser and their mother is at the very least a grifter. You really can't blame the children for their awful parents.

Beatrice refused Palace guidance on her associations in the wake of Daddy's downfall.

It's not hard to see why.

As for visiting Epstein with Fergie I'm reluctantly on the fence. I can see a trip to NY appealing and I can see neither of them having the wit or the will to research his character and history on their own account.

It's the way they've repeatedly grifted since that reveals their true nature IMO.

Both still inexplicably have the use of royal properties and I'm quite interested in what has happened to the promised PAC enquiry into royal rents and leases.

It seems to have gone a bit quiet.

Is not the way we do royalty and the Old Queen also a cause here. Each generation there are spares, without a meaningful role and without the vast income provided for the heir only. Each generation we have had Margaret, Andrew and Edward and then Harry all living very high on the hog without the means to pay for it will the same happen with the younger wales kids in future.
This has led to royals and nearly royals taking money because of who they are, often from clean sources sometimes not. So we had Margaret being given land in Mustique, Anne’s children getting deals and sponsorship only because of who they are and worst of all the piggy yorks. Then there are the drains from the older cousins who had subsidised palace homes.
If we must have royalty there should be an allowance for the king and immediate family only. Only the immediate heir to be considered royal into adulthood. People will not stand for more generations of this. Until now the old queen ‘s reputation has survived intact, but am sure now her role as Andrew’s principle enabler will be examined. How did his mother think he was funding that lifestyle from a modest navy pension? She obviously bank rolled him to an extent, but not enough to stop his reliance on extremely dodgy funding