Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

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For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

Will they ever be questioned about the infamous Pizza Express alibi

I agree

Well quite!! I genuinely think the Andrew Lownie book should be made compulsory reading.

I would say keep an open mind to people commenting on their age at the time. I went through some abuse as a teenager and didn’t realise or understand the seriousness of how I was treated until I had counselling age 22.

Do we think it's possibly time to get rid of the 'royal' family?

Somebody that was raised around paedophile sympathisers, you can’t possibly understand how hard it is to see your parents for what they actually are. I was repeatedly raped by my step dad’s best friend and only found the courage to tell when they announced he was going to be my baby sisters god father. And this was 2-3 years AFTER a friend of the family told them he had been in prison for rape. He explained it as statutory rape and he was 17 and she was 15 blah blah blah. They believed him hook line and sinker. I told my mum and she said “ takes two to tango, you must have asked for it”. I was 14 and he was 46 🤢. They stopped talking to them for a few months and then quietly started seeing them as friends again. Then my parents kicked me out due to my behaviour and I had to go and live with them. Fast forward ten years later and he was in prison for raping his step daughter every day for ten years. Turned out that Stafford raise was actually rating his own child and introducing them to bestiality. And my mum still went to see him and told us he was in for tax evasion. Because he groomed them too but they couldn’t admit that as it showed poor judgement and that he’d conned them and actually done all the things I said. That would mean they have to admit they were wrong. And narcissists never do that. It took me until I was 30 to be able to go to the police to report it and thank God for my DH supporting me through it. I still see my mum maybe every 4-6 weeks for 20-30 minutes because she’s my mum and a part of me still loves there mum she was in the good times and mourns the mum I deserved. The girl who I used to baby sit for, the one who was abused, she still sees her mum on a daily basis and she can’t separate things in her head. Shes very badly damaged and always will be. So will I, I’m just a bit more resilient and didn’t go through as much as that poor girl did.

please don’t judge children and young adults that are raised in wildly different circumstances to the typical. Like cults. And the rf is a cult. It’s easy to judge when you see things like 95% of the population and understand laws and morality and Doing The Right Thing but their mum and dad, the people they were supposed to be able to trust th most, told them this man was ok. Those women haven’t committed any crimes that we know of and it’s unfair to drag them through the mud for their parents mistakes.

I really can’t understand why Sarah Ferguson has been a bigger news story on bbc than Andrew who has just had photos released of him crawling about on some young woman/child.
The monarchy needs binning.

But she shouldn’t have been! We’ve failed her.

Personally I’ve always been horrified by how she was treated. I hope she’s allowed back.

Not sure that they would have known much at that age, really. They both went to boarding schools, and if they didn't read the news - which people of that age tend not to do - they wouldn't have have known much about Epstein beyond what their parents told them. Beatrice is dyslexic as well.

Agree with this.

My question would be, did they know they were celebrating his release from prison? did they know exactly what he had been inside for?

Its worth noting that although he was arrested for "unlawful sex with minors" - he was eventually charged and convicted of "soliciting for prostitution a girl under 18" which is not the same offence at all.

Whilst both are vile, its a lesser charge and conviction, so Beatrice & Euginie could have been confused into thinking he was not a peadophile in our legal understanding of the term.

If i found out my father have been having sex with trafficked women I would cut him out of my life forever.
At 19 I found out a lad we hung around with have slept with a prostitute. I cut him straight out of my life and never spoke to him again because I refused to associate with a person who viewed women as commodities. If it was my father I would be even more disgusted.

By that token, many if not most of Epstein's victims were not innocent young things and we should no longer sympathise with them.

Shamima Begum was only treated as an adult because a number of very cynical politicians found it convenient to do so. That is definitely not a valid comparator.

I’m absolutely sickened after reading the coded emails Epstein and other pedos used to describe the trafficking of children. It’s evil. Completely evil. Jail is not enough for Ghislane Maxwell.

Andrew Mountbatten absolutely needs to be investigated and every single Police protection officer who had knowledge of what he was doing and failed to report it.

The investigation into the murdered Latvian woman whose body was found near the estate on which Andrew lived should also be reopened.

Exactly. People still visit parents in prison for murder - I’ve heard of people who keep in touch whilst one parent is in prison for killing the other. It’s nobody else’s right to say anyone should cut off their only mum or dad!

I have no opinion and Beatrice and Eugenie but it is ridiculously unfair to blame them for how they may have reacted at 19/20. They are still moulded by their parents and barely adults.

It’s awful, the whole thing is so sad and upsetting. One email that surprised me was the one Fergie sent to JE saying ‘ you used to me to get close to ‘the Duke’ I do not condone anything Fergie has done but I feel she was used as a pawn in a game.

If Beatrice and Eugenie had raped or trafficked women, we’d all want them in prison and ostracised from society like Andrew. This is not the groundbreaking point that people seem to think it is.

I have children of similar ages and I know there is no way I could convince them to meet anyone they felt was morally corrupt in the way that Epstein was.

If they knew anything, I totally agree. However, it's after this that it all falls apart. Money dropping into their accounts from a gun runner, a diamond necklace worth £££££ given to Beatrice. And now Beatrice in particular schmoozing with god knows who in the Middle East, taking over where daddy left off. Shamelessly using her title over there. Yet, they are supposed to be non working Royals? Give me a break

I think Charles should've stopped the whole family, including Beatrice and Eugenie, from royal connections. No sitting in carriages at Ascot, garden parties, formal events for the daughters. They have husbands, little children, and an affluent lifestyle, why can't they just fuck off and live their lives.

I think they have been very aware what their parents have been up to. Not when they were young, but certainly in the last ten years or so.

Wow! What a wild extrapolation. Olympic‑level mental gymnastics!

Having read Entitled I have a horrible feeling that a lot of royal charity work operates this way and what the RF extract from the coffers in terms of money or experiences is often equivalent to that gained by the end users. I think AMW and SF pushed this to an extreme mind you,

But I would be fascinated to know, for example, how much an established charity will pay a member of the royal family in terms of “expenses” for an important appearance say on a centenary or gala night. I naievely thought that expenses would all be borne by the RF, but this patently is not the case. And I think this area needs much more delving in to , transparency, and public discussion.

I'm sure there was a lot of emotional blackmail in this, "what a good friend he has been to mummy bailing her out of her debts", "and no they don't believe the conviction it was a miss understanding etc".

These people have been manipulating the press for years by playing everything down so why not there daughters too. I'm pretty sure the new wave of photos must be mortifying for the princesses and Fergie talking about Eugenie on a shagging weekend with her boyfriend to a convicted peodophile after Epsitien has said he wants to meeting up with them.

You’re judging young adults by “fully formed adult” standards. Most university aged people really are still children within their family unit, and entirely reliant on their parents for financial/practical/emotional support. The girls may not even have known of his background.

@TheRealGossipGirl no I don’t blame the children .

Well, that question can be asked from the opposite side. There's double standards from both sides.

I doubt many who believe they’re helpless victims wouldn't think so if they weren't Beatrice and Eugenie. I'm pretty sure some of them at least have blamed other 19 year olds and younger for less.