Andrew to lose Duke of York title (part 2)

[elprup]

I thought I’d start a new thread as the previous one is full!

Here’s the first thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5429027-andrew-to-lose-duke-of-york-title?page=1

Various of the news items I watched quoted directly from the statement issued about focusing on the Vatican visit and not other matters

I've tried to find reference to it but it's all about the actual visit now.

It really annoyed me, and seemed like a directive to tell people what they should be thinking about.

But it's all the same thing isn't it?

Grooming gangs in the north of England, a grooming network in Florida... it's all the same, men abusing and pimping underage girls. Survivors speaking out and struggling to be heard

If Charles were a stronger character he'd have told Andrew long ago that he had to volunteer to speak with the FBI and tell them everything he knew about Epstein and Maxwell. If Andrew refused then Charles should have told him the alternative was the loss of his Dukedom (via parliament) his HRH and Prince (via letters patent). Instead, we have Andrew calling the shots and refusing to assist the FBI with enquiries while his daughter Eugenie promotes herself as an anti-slavery campaigner! It's ludicrous and Charles needs a rocket up his shirt (yes I know he's ill but not too ill to still be king and show some leadership).

Absolutely. I can't believe that the palace let that entitled idiot release his own statement. Anyone could have predicted he would refuse to apologise or show any concern but instead paint himself as the model of duty and service. When it is going to occur to him that no one sees him like that.

The palace PR really need to learn from "Recollections may vary" and stop giving Andrew agency in these matters.

I also agreed with the podcast that asking people to focus on the King rather shows that they know they have lost the PR initiative at the moment.

Another way to look at it is to see it as a way of keeping old crafts going. There can't be many who require that sort of embroidery.

How does Charles make Andrew speak with the FBI? I don't think the titles is a sufficient that when his liberty is at stake.

He could invite FBI to interview A in the safety of Windsor on crown land where he has protection. It's not like they will try to kidnap him and fly him to Gitmo. If I was A I wouldn't be popping into Langley for a chat but I would have no problem at a place of safety with a top barrister and assurances if I had nothing to hide.

That would be a way to do it but i wonder if Andrew would cooperate. I can't decide whether he is afraid of someone or simply too arrogant to consider it.

They did all right with the Maitlis interview that brought Andrew down initially.

It was originally a Panorama programme, and it was only when Andrew was asked for a response to the allegations being put forward on that programme that he said he would do an interview instead.

I wonder if he has since regretted that decision?

Does the FBI still want to interview him? I thought they had shelved the investigation.

I think they have under Trump so we will have to wait to see what happens when he leaves office.

Andrew could still offer, of course - might stir things up a bit and put some pressure on across the water

Of course - let's imagine he's innocent (as he categorically insists). He'd have been making statements about being disgusted to find out his friend was a sex abuser. As stories unfolded, he'd have been making supportive comments to the women (and all victims) while continuing to let it be publicly known he'd help any investigations as much as possible. He'd have insisted he'd never had sex with Virginia, she must be mistaking him for someone else and he'd go to court to prove it.

Instead, he gets his Mummy to fork out £12 million quid to stop a woman he's never met from accusing of something he never did. Plus, he's emailing his convicted sex offender friend saying 'we're both in this together' and 'we'll play again soon'.

He's a lying snake isn't he - no doubt about that!

The interesting thing is that there’s an argument that the late Queen made that payment in the face of insistence from Andrew that he wanted to fight the charges in court and he was furious when he was told it wasn’t happening. QE/the men in grey suits wanted all the furore closed down before the Jubilee. Anyway there’s a rumour that he’s going to leave the country now (undoubtedly bankrolled by one of his wealthy mates) so we can just forget he exists.

Perhaps the RF will learn something - that KC3 is out of touch if he thinks many people are that interested in him meeting the Pope and doesn't realise that many people are very interested in the Adrew situ; and that issuing statements hoping that what he's up to and considers important won't be overshadowed by what's going on elsewhere is so Last Monarch.

I think it’s quite insulting to us plebs, you know the ones who pay taxes to think that saying your prayers is enough to side track us from what’s really happening. Might have washed in the late Queen’s day. Not now. Are they really that deluded and dense?

Apparently he already owns a palace in the Middle East that’s was gifted by one of his cronies out there. God know how/ why but to be honest if him, his ex and his daughters all fuck off there together, happy days.

Here
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15212097/Prince-Andrew-secret-palace-UAE-Abu-Dhabi.html

and I don’t apologise for a DM link because they have done a great job of exposing Andrew over the years

I agree with you entirely that the Press and the populance decide for themselve these days what they are interested in. Gone are the days when, if the Monarch was doing it, it was Important and got the headline regardless of whether it was visiting a war zone or getting an ingrowing toenail removed.

Ss for the Ireland thing, the Queen's predecessors saw off a lot of Irish people in nasty ways over the centuries, so I think both parties to that meeting were swallowing a lot for the sake of future peace. Far more relevant than praying ( what for, I wonder?) with the Pope.

Wow - is there no end to this guys dodgy secrets!

I’m increasingly uncomfortable with this. He’s clearly culpable but why is he the fall guy?

I think you did!

Why wouldn’t the King want this historic occasion to be recognised?!He’a always stood for reconciliation between religions and his debauched rent a prince idiot brother is overshadowing him! I would be pissed off too!

Well if Charles had taken a stronger stance sooner then he would be front page and not his brother. He’s had plenty of time.

I agree.