Andrew to lose Duke of York title (part 2)

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I thought I’d start a new thread as the previous one is full!

Here’s the first thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5429027-andrew-to-lose-duke-of-york-title?page=1

The Queen's predecessors have seen off a lot of Catholics in nasty ways over the centuries.

Conflict within Northern Ireland is within living memory, but it is part of the wider historical conflict.

The monarch still can't be a Catholic and was forbidden from marrying a Catholic until 2013.

The "historic" occasion matters to the King, but, if my crowd are anything to go by, NO-ONE ELSE CARES - it is a nothingburger. The King is a twit if he thinks he can demand "Look at me!" and expect to command attention, if he's not doing anything much interesting. Two blokes at the pinnacle of their respective branches of the same religion getting together - not to discuss modern slavery or how to reel Putin in, let alone the rental market or the cost of chicken - but to pray 😶

FFS, how out of touch can you be to think that (a) this is historic except in the way that a football statistic is historic and that (b) he can command interest by demanding we look at him and not over there. And "over there" isn't just Andrew - it is the collapse of the grooming gang inquiry, the Darlington nurses thing, the collapse of Strictly...

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Well you are clearly not a historian!

The King is never going to be discussing modern slavery or reeling Putin in.

The problem is that most of what the Royals do is, necessarily, quite boring.

I am, actually.
Edited to say - I don't work as a historian, but I have a postgrad degree in history, and a lifelong interest in the subject.

And you still think this event involving the head of the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church is only historic 'in the way that a football statistic is historic'?

Quite a few people around the planet seem to take religion very seriously, even if most Brits don't. People in Latin American countries, for instance. Or the Philippines. Or many countries in Africa. Some parts of Scotland and the island of Ireland seem to take the Protestant/Catholic divide very seriously.

You say that the King is a twit if he thinks he can demand, "Look at me!"

What words has he said that cause you to say that? Which bit of TV news do I need to watch to hear him demanding anything of you.

Are you a journalist, for fuck's sake? Do I need to tug my forelock to you because you have set yourself up as being better than me because I don't have a degree?

BBC News - King should abdicate if he prays with the Pope - Kyle Paisley
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgql9k59v7d

Rather a big deal for some.

Well he is Ian "No Surrender!" Paisley's son.

If KC praying with the Pope gets him and his ilk in a froth, then I'm all for it.

Although it must be a bit of a headfuck if you're a staunch unionist. Hopefully it might make the milder ones think a bit.

Yeah I posted because it shows that, although many don't care whether the Supreme Governor of the Church of England is publically praying with the Pope, to many others is a big and still controversial deal. In the Oath of Allegiance Charles had to promise to defend the Church of Scotland. It's archaic in some ways but it still matters to some. It's historic and weird and fascinating.

We are a Country that runs on precedent and obscure laws about donkeys from 1237, unpicking is hard and the history is fun.

I’m really surprised that you don’t see this as a moment in history? Normally I wholeheartedly agree with you on most occasions, and you are clearly an intelligent and educated person.

Don’t you think that there will be at least a footnote in history referencing the first time the king and pope have prayed together since Henry VIII?

I think it’s deeply symbolic. I’m all for ecumenicalism.

Does my A in A level History 40 odd years ago count for anything? 🤣

Yes. Niche interest. Changes nothing.

A footnote, not a chapter, or even a page. Just an interesting (or not) fact.

It is too late an event to change anything that matters - it is happening, in fact, because the things that matter in this issue have already been settled, making the meeting possible.

We know Peter Mandelson was pals with Epstein.

Mandelson definitely also knew Andrew in an ‘official’ capacity. This report indeed shows Andrew apparently ‘smoothing over’ a gaffe-strewn substance-addled performance from Mandy at a Co-operation Ireland charity event in 2000 at the Albert Hall. (Personally I think they both sound awful. Mo Mowlam must have despaired of men like them.)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-67770674.amp

That’s not great reading. Thank you for sharing.

Observer article today makes for some very interesting reading

observer.co.uk/news/international/article/deep-dive-into-the-twitter-troll-account-set-up-to-bring-down-virginia-giuffre

That is pretty bad.

For those who don't know, Harland&Wolff and Shorts were the 2 major employers in Belfast, H&W being the shipyard and Shorts being the aircraft factory, so for the NI Minister to be mixing them up would have been horrendous.

Interesting and even more confusing

That’s really horrible reading.

as if these poor girls didn’t suffer enough, they and their families are then hounded and abused by these despicable men.

it can be no coincidence that both Virginia and the other women referenced in the article died tragically young. So sad. So sickening.

I for one saw this as a significant event. What did surprise me though was that Camilla joined them - I'd have thought that, as a divorcee, she might not have. Only an observation, not a criticism.

I did too! I suppose Charles is also a divorcee.

I assume in the view of the Roman Catholic Church Charles was a widower when he married Camilla.

Maybe? He was divorced prior to Diana’s death though? I don’t know!

Social media has been brutal about Camilla and her outfit! I don’t know why people hang onto such hatred over events more than 30 years ago! Most are ignorant of the significance of the laurel wreath. Some even think it’s a nod to the crown of thorns so
it’s heresy!! So many stupid people out there 🙄

Interesting - had been discussing her outfit on the Royal Style thread - hadn't occurred to me the leaves on the headpiece might have been intended for laurel (didn't look that shape).

I thought her overall outfit was great but she would have been better with a more traditional lace mantilla. Her brooch was lovely.