"Prince Harry" : I didn't air any dirty laundry in public

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“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

I didn't air any dirty laundry in public - my conscience is clear, says Prince Harry during visit to Ukraine: Duke reveals he wants to spend more time in the UK in the next year as 'the focus really has to be on my dad' | Daily Mail Online

Do we know that M won't allow the children to visit the UK or is it guesswork?

I reckon she won't allow it unless there's something in it for her, in a "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this" way. She has something that she believes to be very valuable both financially and in terms of her standing: her children, a prince and princess. In her mind, the opportunities are limitless. She's been taught by her mother not to "give the milk away for free" and my goodness doesn't she live that way.

I mean, Harry had a minutes-long meeting with his dad after a year and a half of estrangement (a meeting which, by some accounts, didn't exactly go in Harry's favour) and within 36 hours Meghan was on Instagram plugging her rose with a direct reference to that meeting (she'd argue it was his general absence of 4 days but let's be honest, if KC3 hadn't figured with all the Sussex-generated will-they-won't-they media coverage beforehand, she wouldn't have referenced the trip. She hasn't before, has she?). If that's not monetizing the royal connection, I don't know what is.

I've found over the years that the pro-monarchists on this board really struggle to wrap their heads around the enormously different world Meghan comes from and now lives in. It's a massively different culture and way of being. People underestimate the extent to which money is the beginning, middle and end of everything. It's the one thing - unlike class or reputation, for example, in the UK - that will always be the final arbiter of who a person is in the US. It took me years and years of living in the US to really grasp the extent to which this is the case.

I can only think Harry is still struggling to understand it himself, and not only because he's not exactly the sharpest tool in the box to begin with! His very lukewarm reference to "I like my life" in the Guardian interview was very telling. Meghan is for Meghan first, last and only. It's anathema to a man who says that he's lived his own life in service to the British public. I think he knows he needs money; but I have a feeling he struggles on a daily basis to accept what's required to get enough of it to maintain the life that he wants, let alone the one that his wife wants.

Isn’t this what TLQE2 did when she met Lilbet - H&M has NF crew at the ready but any recording of the meeting was banned.

Back when The Cut did the article about Meghan, they told the story of how Meghan toured their house even though they couldn't afford it, decided it was the one, and they bought it. They bought a money pit because of the optics. Her wearing hundreds of thousands of dollars of jewelry when she hikes or gardens is part of her optics. Harry has always thought he was special because of his birth. Meghan sees money and open materialism as the mark of specialness.

Not everyone in the US is like that, but the people who aren't won't go near either H or M because they have no value to them

Valentine Low says the Queen refused to have a photo taken with Lilibet but there's no way that 'NF crew' will have been allowed anywhere near the Queen!

That was my understanding. It’s sad tho for Lili if she doesn’t have a photo with her great grandmother - maybe one was taken by BRF and it’s under lock and key until it’s handed over when she’s 18.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mis-read my comment as that is absolutely not what I said.

I said it is unreasonable to expect taxpayers in foreign countries to partially pay for a photo-op for H in the form of security resources for KC3.

I agree, he can never ‘win’ no matter what circus tricks that he performs that catch a brief few headlines there is only ever one winner and that is The Crown, always.

If this is true she knew it would likely be sold to the highest bidder.

Also it puts PW in a difficult position if the king is photographed with the Sussex children and not the Wales children.

Sorry to be late to the party but when was meeting/pics with Sussex kids announced? Harry had a 30 min 'meeting' with KC, that hardly spells imminent reconciliation to me or am I missing something (probably)

Yes, I do wonder what Archie and Lilibet will make of this when they are older, and opportunities which were turned down or missed on their behalf by their parents.

The problem is that H & M will monetize any interaction with the RF. If KC sees any of them, there will be a photo or a social media post or a tabloid article immediately afterwards.

It's actually very sad.

Yes. That's the problem. Such a shame.

It’s interesting Harry talks about wanting to introduce his children to his country, but not introduce them to their wider family. I find myself wondering what he knows about his own country anyway. He’s lived in a protected privileged bubble all his life .

He can bring them to Britain any time he likes. Nobody is stopping him. Other than maybe his beloved wife.

This is the question isn't it? Surely any son would want their father to see his children but he doesn't bring them ? Why not?

Because his wife doesn’t want him to.

You must live in a very different type of family if you think it normal to write a book that publicly discusses your brother's penis as well as your own.

No-one has ever answered that perplexing question: why has Andrew escaped Harry's vicious, sniping gossip over the past 5 years? Why be so unpleasant about trivial matters and perceived slights from various family members, but not address the non sweaty elephant in the room?

Those are lovely photos.
One of my favourites of Charles is spinning Camillas DGD around at some sort of function, suited and booted, playing like any other Grampa!
It really shows there is a completely different side to him that we rarely get a glimpse of.

A bit like HMQ had a good sense of humour but you rarely saw it, until Mr Bond came along.

Why would it put him in an awkward position?

I mean, there's loads of photos with KCIII and the Wales children, many of them very relaxed and clearly very much with a granddad they love, and he loves them. You can't fake that with young kids - or even with older kids really.

I'd have said it would be better for all if KCIII met the Sussex pair separately.
Better for KCIII because he can concentrate on getting to know the children he doesn't know.
Better for the Wales family because any photos will be looking to read rubbish into fleeting expressions, and because I'm sure at least the older ones have some idea of what has been going on, and will find it quite awkward.
Better for the Sussex children because if the Wales children are there who know PCIII better they will naturally graduate to him and make it harder for them to get to know him.

Agree!

As you age, never look in the mirror with your glasses on.

I think because he’s indifferent to Andrew. Andrew hasn’t had much if any of a role in his life, and he’s only interested in pursuing grievances with those people he’s had personal interactions with.

He's had a lot of personal interactions with Andrew. According to Meghan, she was friends with Beatrice before she knew Harry. As a couple, they went to Royal Lodge.
Harry and Meghan were certainly friends with the York family.

I was a quoting from someone else who said it would be awkward for PW, I didn't say it was awkward, I was asking when it had been announced that pics etc were happening as I hadn't seen/read that which as I don't follow too closely is not unusual.