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DipsyDee · 18/09/2025 12:03

Charles has cancer with what appears to be weekly treatment. His son should bring the children to see him. He won’t of course because his wife won’t allow it.

Mildorado · 18/09/2025 12:07

ozarina · 18/09/2025 11:23

The PR battle? It looks like the RF are continuing with their usual tasks as opposed to engaging in any " PR battle" . Trump is headline news right now and he has praised William and Catherine at the State Dinner. As for that dress Catherine wore wowza!

I think the Trump visit has been pivotal. It also shows the strength of the monarchy and it's role in soft diplomacy. Kate looked absolutely stunning, and all of them have appropriately socialised with the Trumps and other guests.
Compare that to a Trad Wife selling pancake mix and an immature man making jokes about mouth braces.

Mildorado · 18/09/2025 12:07

ozarina · 18/09/2025 11:23

The PR battle? It looks like the RF are continuing with their usual tasks as opposed to engaging in any " PR battle" . Trump is headline news right now and he has praised William and Catherine at the State Dinner. As for that dress Catherine wore wowza!

I think the Trump visit has been pivotal. It also shows the strength of the monarchy and it's role in soft diplomacy. Kate looked absolutely stunning, and all of them have appropriately socialised with the Trumps and other guests.
Compare that to a Trad Wife selling pancake mix and an immature man making jokes about mouth braces.

Mildorado · 18/09/2025 12:08

Sorry, not sure why it posted twice!

Mildorado · 18/09/2025 12:09

DipsyDee · 18/09/2025 12:03

Charles has cancer with what appears to be weekly treatment. His son should bring the children to see him. He won’t of course because his wife won’t allow it.

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How tragic, though. No compassion.

Everyonesawher · 18/09/2025 12:27

Mildorado · 18/09/2025 12:09

How tragic, though. No compassion.

That’s her MO - no compassion - her own father in hospital with heart failure - cuts him off.

PP in hospital on end of life care launches the brutal OW bombshell interview whilst his family are grieving around his death bed.

QE2 very poorly MM in the country can’t be arsed to visit but happy to launch a few barns in her snarky interview in The Cut days before her death - but then demands a ring aside seat at her deathbed and live tweets it all via Scoby.

MrsFinkelstein · 18/09/2025 12:42

bluegreygreen · 18/09/2025 10:35

@NewAgeNewMe Yes, I listened to it last night. Definitely interesting.

Brief summary:
Harry has 'driven a PR juggernaut' through the gates of Buckingham palace
Meredith Maines is working on a narrative arc; the next thing will be pictures (still and moving) of the King with his grandchildren
The public will want this as they will go for the 'family story'
The media in the UK is a zero sum game: for any story if one side is up the other must be down; hence if Harry is doing well stories about Prince William will be negative

The person who has worked in Royal PR (can't remember which) did say that the issue with the RF will be trust which is still very tenuous. He seemed less convinced than the other but both felt that Harry had the mainstream media on side.

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Pretty short-sighted POV though. It's all about the long term with The Crown - Harry is on the wrong side.

The Crown will always win. W&C are always going to win the war.

Some of the media may currently be on side for Harry - but that is only just a temporary holding pattern. He'll age out of the drama within the next decade (if he even gets that long).

H&M are well off the ball when it comes to family pictures with KC3. The Wales' will always have an ongoing future supply, because he's the heir.

And any photos of Charles with the Sussex children will never have that relaxed, natural interaction that's currently always visible with the Wales children and him.

"Prince Harry" : I didn't air any dirty laundry in public
"Prince Harry" : I didn't air any dirty laundry in public
"Prince Harry" : I didn't air any dirty laundry in public
Everyonesawher · 18/09/2025 12:53

Goodness is that pic of PL and KC3 from the Jubillee? It is shocking how much his illness has aged him.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 18/09/2025 12:54

The Crown will always win. W&C are always going to win the war.

This is so true as the crown has the state behind it as it's part of it - the monarch place is part of the UK consitution - it's the one bit of RF actually needed and rest of RF are supposed to support it.

William will get that job - and if he doesn't his kids will - Harry will only move down succession and his kids get less and less important.

There are hundreds of people involved in the current state visit - RF are playing their role in international diplomancy - how can any private individuals hope to compete with that.

The RF is in a differnet sphere to them there is no competition and they need to find their own roles where they can.

I think media may enjoy playing cousins of one another in furture - so do feel for the kids there but soon enough girl and boy firends will come along for Wales kids and that will be the interest and focus.

Mildorado · 18/09/2025 12:54

Yes, it's taken it's toll.

Lifestooshort71 · 18/09/2025 12:56

Do we know that M won't allow the children to visit the UK or is it guesswork? My understanding was that H has backed the rest of his family into a corner with his ranting and raving about security and I don't see how he can backtrack/save face and say now that it's actually OK for the children (with or without M) to meet their rellies here.

My2cents1975 · 18/09/2025 12:56

Everyonesawher · 18/09/2025 11:54

They would just pay their own additional security and logistical costs for any extension surely?

Same as I imagine what happens when they go on any private family holiday overseas?

No, they cannot.

There is no government in the world where KC3 can meet H&M that would "sell" security resources due to the precedent it would create. Not to mention the absolute mess it would create for KC3 domestically.

Just like you can't buy RPO resources, you can't, for example, buy Secret Service resources. As a Head of State, the second KC3 sets foot on US soil there will be dedicated security resources paid for by the US taxpayer as per statutory protection laws.

The parallel is unfolding right now in London where there are dedicated RPO resources currently assisting the Secret Service to keep President Trump and his entourage safe...at a significant daily cost to UK taxpayers.

diddl · 18/09/2025 13:06

Also it puts PW in a difficult position if the king is photographed with the Sussex children and not the Wales children.

Then perhaps if KC3 meets his Sussex GC it should not be photographed?

Weepixie · 18/09/2025 13:08

But the general consensus is that Harry is winning the PR battle at the moment and may have slightly blindsided the RF PR

I think if he’s winning a PR battle it must be one for the person you’d be wrong to trust. Have the RF been blindsided? Absolutely not. They’re playing a very classy game and demonstrating that silence is golden and the only thing empty vessels do is make more noise.

It’s something we could all do well to remember at times - that just because a person doesn’t say anything or respond it doesn’t mean they’ve been silenced or put in their place. On the contrary, It can and usually does mean they’re wise enough to know the value of silence.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/09/2025 13:08

No matter what KC3 prognosis is, at 77 life is short and he may take the risk that after meeting his DGC his DS and DIL will attempt to monetise it to flog pancakes and he might well think at this stage it’s worth it

This is what concerns me, @Everyonesawher, especially given that Charles's judgement has frequently been shown to be extremely poor. For those who want the monarchy to endure I'd have thought it's the ongoing damage that would be the worrying part, if and when Harry goes off on one again and William's left to deal with it because of a passing whim of his father's

And yes, the media may appear to "back" Harry at various times, but only because they want the ongoing clicks ... I do hope nobody thinks they give a toss beyond that?

Typo

Weepixie · 18/09/2025 13:10

Everyonesawher · 18/09/2025 12:53

Goodness is that pic of PL and KC3 from the Jubillee? It is shocking how much his illness has aged him.

Maybe. But on a personal level I’ve found I can go quite a good amount of years looking good for my years only to wake up one morning and find I’ve aged overnight. Maybe the King is the same.

Zuve · 18/09/2025 13:11

Ha ha, I always wash mine in private, like you Harry.

NewAgeNewMe · 18/09/2025 13:12

I recently looked in the mirror and saw my 80+ mother looking Back at me. It wasn’t a great feeling as much as I love her.

bluegreygreen · 18/09/2025 13:26

diddl · 18/09/2025 13:06

Also it puts PW in a difficult position if the king is photographed with the Sussex children and not the Wales children.

Then perhaps if KC3 meets his Sussex GC it should not be photographed?

That was mentioned as an option on the podcast, and would be a very good move for the palace in my opinion - all the 'family' benefits of the meeting without any of the downsides of being seen to support H&M's commercial enterprises.

IcedPurple · 18/09/2025 13:39

Everyonesawher · 18/09/2025 11:26

KC3 could easily extend any foreign trips already scheduled by a day or two to meet his DGC on neutral ground.

I think the monarchy would have a net gain to its reputation by this ‘soft power’ move. Everyone loves children and meeting up with an estranged ill grandfather would be a tender and touching story whatever was still going on between the adults in the family. Of course H&M are in the wrong here and need to make amends but if their emotional intelligence is limited capacity then it takes wiser family members to take the lead with compassionate steps for the bigger picture.

I feel sorry for these DCs - there doesnt seem to be any family or long term friends in the picture (where’s Doria these days?) - their parents are consumed with bitter ruminations which must leave a bleak emotional environment to be raised in.

Like I say, Charles is a Head of State who also happens to be receiving regular treatment in London.

He can't just tack on a few days to an official trip like a holidaymaker extending their stay on the Costa.

What on earth is stopping Harry and Meghan bringing their children to England? Why 'neutral ground'? This isn't a war!

I'm also not sure the public really care about Harry's children. They've spent their entire lives out of the public eye, which is fine, but you can't expect people to take an interest in them at this stage.

IcedPurple · 18/09/2025 13:43

Everyonesawher · 18/09/2025 11:54

They would just pay their own additional security and logistical costs for any extension surely?

Same as I imagine what happens when they go on any private family holiday overseas?

No, that's not what happens when a Head of State visits another country!

These things are coordinated in advance with the host country, at the highest level. Even on a private visit.

Let Harry and Meghan visit Britain if they want their children to have a relationship with Charles. They're both basically unemployed and can travel any time they choose. The same is not true for the King.

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/09/2025 14:01

In terms of the PR battle, i was listening to the When it hits the Fan podcast the other day and they couldn't agree on who is winning. I don't think it is clear cut at this stage and Harry's problem is that to be successful he needs to keep going what he did for the four day visit (minus chatting about his Dad). But so far he hasn't shown he can do that consistently. Bursts of charity work here and there, seeing his Dad for an hour here and there, isn't going to win against the ongoing diary of working royals.

And if he really wanted his children to spend time with his father then why on earth didn't he bring them to Balmoral? It's a well established part of the King's year, in a secure estate.

Everyonesawher · 18/09/2025 14:06

My2cents1975 · 18/09/2025 12:56

No, they cannot.

There is no government in the world where KC3 can meet H&M that would "sell" security resources due to the precedent it would create. Not to mention the absolute mess it would create for KC3 domestically.

Just like you can't buy RPO resources, you can't, for example, buy Secret Service resources. As a Head of State, the second KC3 sets foot on US soil there will be dedicated security resources paid for by the US taxpayer as per statutory protection laws.

The parallel is unfolding right now in London where there are dedicated RPO resources currently assisting the Secret Service to keep President Trump and his entourage safe...at a significant daily cost to UK taxpayers.

So you are saying that no monarch has ever taken a holiday abroad because it triggers costs to the tax payers of that country?

I never knew that.

BemusedAmerican · 18/09/2025 14:14

I don't think Harry is winning. The media writes puff pieces about him, but the comments are negative. Their PR people are very obvious.

Everyonesawher · 18/09/2025 14:20

BemusedAmerican · 18/09/2025 14:14

I don't think Harry is winning. The media writes puff pieces about him, but the comments are negative. Their PR people are very obvious.

I think the puff pieces are inadvertently rage-bait.

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