"Prince Harry" : I didn't air any dirty laundry in public

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“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

I didn't air any dirty laundry in public - my conscience is clear, says Prince Harry during visit to Ukraine: Duke reveals he wants to spend more time in the UK in the next year as 'the focus really has to be on my dad' | Daily Mail Online

We've heard so many versions of "their truth" recollections may vary via tv programmes, interviews, podcasts, books etc that I'd imagine the tabloid press are pretty redundant in helping anyone form an opinion of them

some invented social strata whether that’s ’Royal’ or ‘Hollywood Elite’.

Sure the names applied to groups have to come from somewhere but they are still required to identify certain groups people are talking about. It doesn’t matter what you think of those groups, they still exist.

These days they pretty much are the tabloid press.

With Catherine so high profile over the next couple of days , it will be interesting to see if Meghan can resist an opportunity to try to grab some headlines!

Actually BigWillyLittleTodger I don’t want to engage in any personal attacks and very rarely say anything personally offensive.

I have been on the receiving end of quite a few condescending, patronising and frankly rude posts on these RF boards over the years, as have most people who post expressing a view opposite to the majority, and I try and bite my lip in response.

Some of the things said to me have been much worse than anything expressed in my reply to Everyonesawher which focused on the subject matter.

I genuinely thought that the post I was responding to was hyperbolic and extreme, hence my unhinged comment.

And sorry, but how could anyone possibly claim to know what the ruminations of another person they don’t know are?

“But what about Andrew and other members of the RF” is a legitimate question in this context imho.

Also BigWillyLittleTodger but there is a certain irony reading the stream of really nasty comments directed at H & M in post after post, even if some are partly justified, but frankly many of which are made up in people’s heads, and then being admonished for personal attacks.

Anyway, I’ll leave it there and let you all post away in peace. I apologise unreservedly to Everyonesawher if I have upset her in any way by anything I said in my post.

I did genuinely think that accusing H & M of raising their dc in a toxic environment is a little extreme when none of us can possibly know that!

Harry will exploit the fact that he met /made up with his father to get at William’s completely understandable coldness towards him, he won’t be able to help himself.

I have been on the receiving end of quite a few condescending, patronising and frankly rude posts on these RF boards over the years, as have most people who post expressing a view opposite to the majority, and I try and bite my lip in response.

I would run out of space if I listed all the name calling against people who don’t like Harry and Meghan, the list is endless in fact it’s become quite amusing as we can literally predict what’s going to be said. I don’t think any regular posters on here have called you personally toxic or unhinged but if they have you should report it.

Some of the things said to me have been much worse than anything expressed in my reply to Everyonesawher which focused on the subject matter

I don’t recognise your user name as a regular poster so presume you change it regularly, you do post like a regular name changer who constantly complains about posters being “rude” to her, apologies if that isn’t you, so I can’t really comment on personal attacks against you, though as I said regular posters on here don’t call people names that I am aware of.

Also BigWillyLittleTodger but there is a certain irony reading the stream of really nasty comments directed at H & M in post after post, even if some are partly justified, but frankly many of which are made up in people’s heads, and then being admonished for personal attacks.

There really is no irony, people are allowed to discuss public figures what is not allowed is personal attacks on posters expressing those views such as calling posters toxic or unhinged. Debate what they say with counter arguments, not insults.

We had an thread last week where we discussed Lownie 's book about Andrew. Most posters, including me, were horrified by his behavior.

There was also a really nasty thread last week where someone criticized Catherine' s hair and it turned into a vicious pile-on against her.

LA is being raised by ICE. California is being devastated by wildfires. H & M, once again, are oblivious to all of these events. I find them self-obsessed and annoying.

Spectacularly passive aggressive, patronising and snotty

I think Zara gets away with it because she and her husband were genuinely successful in their sporting careers - a level of success that can't be bought (yes, money helps, but it can only get you so far, you need talent and hard work as well).

So they have something more credible to 'sell', on top of their connections.

The usual incoherent, lashing out and thrashing around, DARVO style, with a side order of whataboutery from certain types of posters emotionally triggered by facts and desperately trying to distract from the very inconvenient truths, that others see, but they refuse to acknowledge. As Ever

They then try to reverse ferret their numerous personal attacks in subsequent posts before crying and attempting justification of their abusive posts by suggesting that they had been attacked in the past by someone else on an anonymous forum………OK.

And then ‘BING BONG’ they announce their departure and FLOUNCE ….

Almost as entertaining and satisfying as H&M shenanigans.

What concrete proof do you have that that H& M are “permanently preoccupied with toxic thoughts”?

Possibly by their consistent words, actions and behaviours?

I assume these are preceded by thoughts?

Yes. They seem thin-skinned, quick to take offence and keen to assert their social status even when inappropriate to do so (MM's takedown of Mindy Kaling was a low-point IMO). Don't get me started on MM mimicking MK's accent either.

You don't behave like that if you are content with your life and your decisions IMO.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/entertainment/english/meghan-markle-makes-fun-of-mindy-kalings-accent-internet-fumes-over-racist-bullying/videoshow/118766814.cms

No one has flounced. No one is crying.

Your post contained lots of made up stuff about the ruminations of Harry and Meghan so it’s not unreasonable to point that out.

Please list out the “lots of made up stuff” I posted and I will gladly take you through each item with evidence.

This is you crying in an attempt to justify your personal attacks on me - by suggesting that your (numerous) personal attacks on me were not as bad as the alleged ‘much worse’ personal attacks you have experienced by some randomer elsewhere.

Is that how bullying works in your world?

And personal attacks do not ‘focus on the subject matter’ as you claimed you were doing - they are personal attacks unless you thought I was H or M?

“I have been on the receiving end of quite a few condescending, patronising and frankly rude posts on these RF boards over the years, as have most people who post expressing a view opposite to the majority, and I try and bite my lip in response.
Some of the things said to me have been much worse than anything expressed in my reply to Everyonesawher which focused on the subject matter.
I genuinely thought that the post I was responding to was hyperbolic and extreme, hence my unhinged comment.”

That last para can be read either way - as an apology - you suggesting that the unhinged comment is referring to yourself? Or are you just doubling down on the personal attack, once again, by repeating it and justifying it, once again?

And flouncing:

“Anyway, I’ll leave it there and let you all post away in peace.”

But you were back in a heartbeat! ‘BING BONG’ seems you were still lingering by the baggage carousel.

It's clearly hugely meaningful to H&M - since they display their BRF titles on everything. IG. As ever. Compliments slips. Notepaper. Hats. On any correspondence.

Where did I say anything about being ashamed?

I wasn't talking about LoS, but their positions as Senior Working Royals.

I’m sorry it’s there for everyone to see. Ruminations, by definition, are thoughts, that no one else can read!

I choose not to engage further with this silly and quite unjustified hostility.

You are turning quite a mild comment in to a massive deal and I was merely pointing out that I have put up with far worse and said nothing.

Plus this sort of exchange is very boring for everyone else reading the thread.

IMHO posters like yourself and Willy want this board to be an echo chamber and you are not open to people who hold different opinions.

Have a good evening.

As I have said numerous times - their relentlessly toxic words, toxic actions and toxic behaviours - would be derived from toxic thoughts and ruminations.

Unless of course you are suggesting that they don’t think prior to their toxic words, actions and behaviours?

That I suppose is actually a possibility. So you may well be correct.

Your characterisation and minimisation is now twisted to ‘mild comment’ - when in your previous post you were happy to define and own these words as your “personal attacks” on me. Moving the goal posts.

As for hostility - that is what you did with your personal attacks on me. You are now classing my response to your attacks as hostility really?

Your action now is classic abusive DARVO - we can all read and see the series of posts.

I could quite easily have you reported and your comments deleted as they are against talk guilelines - as you have already admitted - but it’s helpful to let them stand in their own shit for others to see and judge you directly.

IMHO posters like yourself and Willy want this board to be an echo chamber and you are not open to people who hold different opinions.

Nope, just not open to personal abuse.

@Baital With respect to Zara, I meant the money from the businessman who had apparently given cash to a few royals in recent years. Her commercial sponsorships related to her career haven’t attracted attention for the reasons you’ve given.

TBH, when Harry and Meghan said they weren’t giving their son a title, I honestly thought they had looked round his cousins, realised that Anne was probably on to something with the lack of title and ‘just so happens their grandmother is the Queen’ approach and thought yeah the life of Peter and Zara is what we want for ours.

@Gingersky1234 you mentioned bias against Harry and Meghan in the press, but again, nothing has happened here that hasn’t happened before. When Andrew and Sarah came along, Charles and Diana were slated for being stuffy and out of touch unlike the breath of fresh air Yorks. Edward and Sophie have come in for various slatings across the years, admittedly some self inflicted but they just got their heads down and got on with it. So the Cambridge v Sussex stuff was just the same as the Wales v York stuff of the 80s. Entirely predictable and less of a bias against H&M and more just a way that the press know sells papers/gets clicks.

Bit different now, but that seems to have been driven by the ammo they’ve given the press, their suing the press and the deaths of the Queen and Prince Philip. And the clicks that it all generates….

*but it’s helpful to let them stand in their own shit for others to see and judge you directly. *

Absolutely; I think this applies both ways tbh.

I like it when people who make wild claims such as you did in your earlier post are held to account and asked to back their claims up with facts. I’m not bored at all.

Is the board like an echo chamber or do particular posters want it to be an echo chamber? No. Certainly not. But we do prefer people to post facts when also discussing Harry and Meghan.

I think it’s pretty daft to assume that the general public have formed their opinion of the pair of them through articles in the press. The majority ( and I include myself) have formed their option by what has come out of their own mouths and let’s face it they has said a lot with the books, the interviews, the mini series ….. Those who like them
simply can’t understand this simple fact