"Prince Harry" : I didn't air any dirty laundry in public

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“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

I didn't air any dirty laundry in public - my conscience is clear, says Prince Harry during visit to Ukraine: Duke reveals he wants to spend more time in the UK in the next year as 'the focus really has to be on my dad' | Daily Mail Online

Personally, I think it’s much more important to enjoy your time with your spouse and children in an environment free of toxicity and stress

Surely everyone thinks that?

However, I can’t see how it’s even possible that their home environment is free of toxicity and stress when they have spent the last 5 years (at least) generating media content scoured from their own bitter, grandiose, delusional, angry, unreliable and unstable emotional ruminations.

On top of that they have been shown to constantly bully their staff and colleagues, find conflict with EVERY SINGLE member of their families (where’s Doria?), throw old friends under the bus once they had stepped on their necks to get ahead, embroil themselves in underhand media smearing (Scoby), initiate countless vexatious and vengeful law suits to attack others.

All of that activity means they are both totally consumed in negative activities and permanently preoccupied with toxic and stressful thoughts, feelings, behaviours. Their young children will have absorbed this emotional weather that surrounds their caregivers and their own emotional development will likely be compromised. There is no dilution or balance to this emotionally unhealthy and unstable environment for these little children from extended family or long term friends.

It’s just not physically possible that this can be a healthy stress free, family environment to date.

From the balcony of Buckingham Palace as 4th (would be now 3rd) Lord & Lady of the Realm and President

Harry was 6th in LOS when he married Meghan, now fifth.

There was a British PR person who I heard an interviewed with who thought if they hadn't done Ophra or Spare or netflick interview - they could have managed to commercialise* *in some from over in USA and keep royal links but enough difference to not upset the UK and RF.

If they'd gone into behind scenes producing or built a company up slowly in a passion area - with some clear water between past and present - he thought they stood a chance.

As soon as they went low - he said they were in trouble - that's what everyone wants from them on and it law of diminishing returns as RF links were gone. I still think they could have with so many opportunties and open doors got something working well - but I think they'd need to have some talents in those araea and hard work to back it up and that seems to have been lacking.

If they wanted to go ‘high end’ then they would have needed to exercise upmost discretion. Basically fallen off the map as far as the public were concerned. But that would not have fit with Meghan’s celebrity ambitions.

Wales kids are not in limelight as much as adults.

So Harry and Meghan would have only been behind Elizabeth and Philip and Princes of Wales and wife and William and Catherine in couples status.

With Charles succession they'd only be behind in status current King and Queen and William and Catherine.

That was what was meant not succession place.

As Wales kids get older that "place" would have dropped and Meghan does seem to have issues with being behind William and Catherine so dropping lower I don't think she'd have coped with.

They could have taken a few years when kids young and come back with something - as RF fame is less fleeting than celeb fame.

However I think nether wanted to take back seat they wanted to do things immediately - given how jealous Harry appears in Spare towards William and rest of RF family I don't think it is just a Meghan issue.

Again I think that the issue they don't want to work or put any effort in and still have the lifestyle money and well not just fame but adulation.

They went low in a narcissistic, vindictive rage because their disgusting bullying behaviours behind closed doors were called out (in private at that point).

They were exposed within the BRF but were grandiose, deluded and arrogant enough to believe that they could flounce and take down the monarchy from the US whilst inserting themselves into the US A list elite.

But their behaviours continued which just compounded the burgeoning poor reputation they were generating themselves with no hiding by the men in grey suits.

Neither have any talent as has been demonstrated by their derisory output to date and the reflections of those that have ‘worked’ with them - “fucking grifters”.

I agree that they had many paths and opportunities open to them in 2020 which if they had explored would have given them potentially a more enriching and stable life - but you know their grandiosity, delusion and vexatiousness is always wagging the dog.

That’s just who they are emotionally.

Have you forgotten the horrific "where's Kate" bullying campaign just a year ago that was cheered along by the press and that contained disgusting conspiracy theories that linked her absence to the death of Lady Gabriella Windsor's husband.

Kate had a horrific time when she dated Prince William where the press chased her down the street and blocked her car. There were also scenes at an airport where the press called her disgusting names to try and get her to look up so they could get their shot

I suspect they surrounded themselves with sycophants who wanted their fame for their own reasons. Plus were likely part of the fleeting Hollywood celebrity culture so simply encouraged them along their self-destructive path.

The ‘elite’ as well as wealthy, and wanting total discretion, are also pretty clever especially with money. The other big issue for H&M is they simply aren’t.

You reap what you sow.

Woah, I was trying to engage in a measured debate but your post is far from that.

Unless, closely related, none of us know what their home environment is like surely?

What you have written is largely supposition.

You seem to have swallowed every tabloid article written about H&M and regurgitated it here. Whatever have they done to you to justify such vitriol?

It’s frankly ridiculous to say they spent five years generating media content “scoured from their own bitter, grandiose, delusional, angry, unreliable and unstable emotional ruminations” when this period of time, they have had been looking after two children, they have made content for Netflix, and they have both supported their charities.

You have no idea what their ruminations are and frankly, you sound rather unhinged!

You know; others in the RF have been outed as bullies and it’s certainly well documented from a number of different sources that a lot of them have tempers.

And yet posters continue to choose to focus on Meghan when Prince Andrew was hideous to staff and allegedly screamed at an aide and called them an imbecile, Prince Philip used to regularly shout at staff and his son Prince Charles, and we saw his temper on camera, directed at a photographer, Princess Anne went to court over her dog attacking two children in Windsor Great Park and her dog also attacked a housemaid and killed one of the Queen’s dogs.

The results of the BP investigation in to Meghan’s alleged bullying, conveniently made public a few days before the Oprah interview, never came to light! And Knopf who was the source of the e-mails alleging bullying worked for William and later received an award and a job; so can hardly be described as objective!

What concrete proof do you have that that H& M are “permanently preoccupied with toxic thoughts”?

Bluntly, it takes one to know one!

Without wishing to sound disrespectful, can you appreciate though MrsFinkelstein that being Lord and Lady of the Realm is utterly meaningless to a lot of people and some of us find it hard to care about those positions?

Not to speak on anyone else's behalf, but I suspect that a couple who went to the trouble of getting a doormat engraved with their titles, who use said titles at every opportunity and insisted on royal titles for their California based children care desperately about 'those positions'.

Meghan's personal stationery has a coronet on it!

No nasty press tactics are justifiable or acceptable whether they are directed at Meghan or Catherine.

Both women have suffered horribly in the hands of certain factions of the press and have endured misogyny, harassment and extremely malicious intrusions in to their private lives.

Those of us who read articles about the royals also must accept some responsibility for creating a demand.

I think it is also fair to say that in the past two years Catherine has, quite rightly, been the subject of a lot of sympathetic and approving comment, which she wholeheartedly deserves.

And I think it’s undeniable that there has been an attempt by certain elements of the media to cast W and C as saints and H and M as sinners. I don’t think anyone who has read the papers or glanced at the news in even a cursory fashion can have failed to spot this bias.

If you read the actual text of Spare, and not articles written about it, it is this sort of thing ie the press pitching the two couples against one another, and their respective offices, that Harry described as toxic and was the cause of staff being stressed and weeping at their desks etc.

Don't you know she's Sussex now?

I deliberately wasn’t commenting on what the titles mean to H&M because none of us know for sure.

I imagine they have many mixed feelings about what comes with them.

Yeah we know they have mixed feelings.

They absolutely love the status and prestige that goes with royal titles. Otherwise why would they use them at every opportunity?

They don't want the duties and responsibilities that 'come with them'. Hence their failed big for half in half out.

The Duchess of ..if you please! 😄

It's her 'legal name' doncha know?

Prince Philip came top of all of the royals in terms of who was best to work for. He was considered an excellent employer, his loyal and long serving staff loved working for him, sorry to disappoint you, I realise this doesn’t fit your narrative.

If you read the actual text of Spare, and not articles written about it

I always think this is such irritating modern take that's drifted over from USA.

The go edcuated yourself matra - but when you do and spot the problems - lies inconstancies the huge glossed over problems - and think even less than before you're still at fault - but then you've not understood or read properly.

I did think Meghan and Harry got a raw deal from some sections of the press -
(as many who marry in do ) but as times gone on and I've heard more of their own words I now think they are the main architect of their own problems.

Still maybe they'll pull some rabbit out the hat - others have I just don't think they will - time and low profile and good PR could over time change things but I don't think they'd ever accept that and there are so few good options left to them now.

O course we know what the titles mean to them, it means a HUGE amount to them, so much that they have an official public office based on their titles, and we know it means so much to Meghan that she even uses her title in private correspondence with her friends.

Its crystal clear the titles mean everything to them

Very well put, Everyonesawher, though I don't imagine for an instant that they are ashamed

It also ties in with what you said about the likelihood of a toxic atmosphere in their home. No we're not there so can't know details, but I'll ask again ... is this really the behaviour of people who are happy with their lves?

Unless, closely related, none of us know what their home environment is like surely?

We know a lot, we know Meghan hates her own family (not unjustified in my eyes), we know she hates her husbands family. We know from video footage she doesn’t appear to have a lot of respect for her husband. We know she uses her kids on SM as content, its easy to surmise it is against her husbands wishes as he has publicly claimed on multiple occasions he wants his kids to have privacy.

We know he takes drugs. We know he thinks the government of his own country is trying to have him and his family killed. We know he thinks he cannot bring his wife and his family to his home country because he believes they are in danger.

We know Meghan thinks she cannot go to the supermarket. We know Meghan wants people to think her husband is a ‘FOX’. We know Meghan has an unbelieveable inflated opinion of herself both personally and professionally.

I forgot, we know Meghan is a Liar.

Sounds pretty toxic to me in anyone’s world.

you sound rather unhinged! Personal attacks as always 🙄

And yet posters continue to choose to focus on Meghan when Prince Andrew was hideous But But But Andrew! as always 🙄

What concrete proof do you have that that H& M are “permanently preoccupied with toxic thoughts?” How do you know? as always 🙄

Bluntly, it takes one to know one! Personal attack to finish off as always 🙄