"Prince Harry" : I didn't air any dirty laundry in public

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“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

I didn't air any dirty laundry in public - my conscience is clear, says Prince Harry during visit to Ukraine: Duke reveals he wants to spend more time in the UK in the next year as 'the focus really has to be on my dad' | Daily Mail Online

I don’t disagree mummypigoink
that they have all faced it at one point or another.

Particularly pre-Leveson; there were some dreadful things going on.

I don’t remember there being such a sustained, vicious and global attack against a couple on social media as there is against H& M tbh currently though. And certainly not on this board either.

There are also more commentators and journalists making podcasts, appearing on You Tube, and on magazine type tv programmes, who all seem to be making a lot of money off the back of repeatedly mocking them. Criticising H&M seems to have become a national sport and it all seems very disproportionate to me in terms of what they have actually done.

It also feels like an orchestrated pile on.

They literally cannot do anything right. And I find the intensity of the negative comments genuinely bewildering tbh! It’s like people feel personally affronted which I do not understand at all!

They literally cannot do anything right

Nothing built on rotten foundations does well.

Also, when anyone has told the lies they’ve told, and continue to tell—let alone done the things they’ve done—it’s going to take a very long time for them to be considered anything but a liar ever again.

Fact: For some people, lying is ingrained in them; it’s who they are. Unfortunately, not only do they lie, but they’re not even good at it—and they’re caught out time and time again.

Whereas I feel there is an orchestrated defence going on. I can see no other justification for speaking up for them.

Criticising H&M seems to have become a national sport and it all seems very disproportionate to me in terms of what they have actually done.

This seems like a stale, warmed up post from 5 years ago.

Do you live in Britain? Because the vast majority of people don't give a shit about 'H&M'. Or indeed about any of the royals. Most British people will go weeks or months without giving any of them a single thought. If you want 'news' about 'H&M', you have to seek it out. Which you presumably do, but to call it a 'national sport' is ridiculous.

I get you won't reply as you've already flounced out, but just thought I'd say that your talking points are at least half a decade out of date.

I have to agree with you @IcedPurple. The topic of Harry pops up in the press when he is in the UK but it drops down the page very quickly. Already the Royal funeral and the Trump visit have knocked his mysterious comments about" this year being about his father" away. If it weren't for him popping up for court appearances over the last couple of years there is little to say about him. He doesn't matter that much if at all to the British public other than people rolling their eyes and thinking Oh god not him again.

@Gingersky1234 it's really very easy to see why there is a market for people writing or commenting adversely about H and M . They set themselves up for it . They have shown themselves to be liars. They are an easy target because of their own behaviour.

H&M themselves also created and amplified a market for broadcasters, writers, podcasters, commentators etc to monetise slander, bitterness, accusations and gossip - in that they themselves were both the originators and distributors of this content and the recipients of the financial spoils - through their relentless multi-year campaigns via Oprah Winfrey, Scoby, NF, PRH/Spare, Spotify etc.

Many would argue it was an equally ‘sustained and vicious global attack’ on specific members of the BRF directly via the communication platforms mentioned above - alongside their tacit support of the vile online bullying activities by the SS.

Are you suggesting @Gingersky1234 that H&M are allowed to generate the toxic onslaught as described above but the rest of the world has no right to reply?

That would be consistent with H&M litigious / NDA approach where their staff and collaboraters are silenced.

I haven’t flounced but I must be living in a parallel universe!

You are honestly telling me that people don’t give a shit about H&M when there are over 782 posts on this thread alone and if you look at the top twenty threads on the RF board listed newest first, ten of them feature Meghan or Harry, or both, in the title. It’s been going on like this for years too!

This board is obsessed with H&M! Every detail about them has been dissected from their hairstyles to their friends to their parenting skills to their financial status, to their housing costs, their sources of revenue, their marital relationship, whether their babies were fake pregnancies, right through to how Meghan labelled her jam fhs!

And sorry many posters have stated repeatedly when asked why there are more threads about H&M than Andrew; that they are “so much more interesting” and “endlessly fascinating” so much more so than Randy Andy and yet at the same time, apparently, no one gives a shit about them? So how does that work?

You are honestly telling me that people don’t give a shit about H&M when there are over 782 posts on this thread alone

Are you being serious?

Or do you not understand what is meant by the vast majority of people ?

This is a sub board about the RF- of course people are interested - that is why they are on this board. However this is in no way a reflection of the wider public.

If you joined a locomotive board, there would be a disproportionate amount of people interested in the last train at Paddington - it does not mean the UK population are trainspotters.

You are honestly telling me that people don’t give a shit about H&M when there are over 782 posts on this thread alone and if you look at the top twenty threads on the RF board listed newest first, ten of them feature Meghan or Harry, or both, in the title. It’s been going on like this for years too!

You're not using this tiny little corner of the internet as a microcosm of British society are you?

This is a dedicated royal family board. There are - at a guess - maybe about 15 regular posters, though it's hard to say for sure with the constant name changing. So yes, on a royal board they'll come up for discussion as they are controversial and highly entertaining.

Out in the 'real world' however? No, people do not give a shit about "H&M". They were big news at the time of their wedding, then Mexit, and then the Oprah interview but they're mostly old news now. They'll occasionally come up in the mainstream news but they'll fall out of the headlines just as quickly. They are certainly not a 'national sport'. The fact that you said they were is why I asked if you live in Britain, as it sounds like the distorted views of 'salty isle' you get in some weird American sites.

Godsake!

I started doing the maths to show how stupid this was and then thought "What's the point? They wouldn't understand".
Anyway, for those who will:

Apparently there are 8-9 million unique users of MN per month.
Probably most come from the UK (population over 69 million) but obviously from other countries too.
Try to apply 782 (although it wouldn't be that high as many posters will have posted multiple times) to that and see what a tiny, tiny number that is.
Then try it against the global population...

Mumsnet isn't the universe you seem to think it is.

Yes because these are two very different situations. PA is a vile sex criminal who needs locking up. I have contributed to many threads on PA over the years and continue to follow developments closely. But you will try to artificially conflate these two issues because it suits your H&M denial stance to derail with distraction. But we see you and know your MO.

But H&M - it’s pure entertainment - which brings me deep satisfaction when I pop on to these threads to see what nonsense they themselves have done and said each week and how it has backfired on them. You literally couldn’t make it up. Watching the exposure of the grandiose, deluded fools and them get their comeuppance makes me chuckle. Comedy gold.

That’s why I’m here. It’s absolutely fascinating
and hilarious.

Wildly entertaining.

I am just waiting for the ‘MeToo’ style class action for all of their bullying victims to be announced. Can’t be much longer, any day now……

I agree they created a lot of content themselves initially, in an attempt to put their own pov across, and in response to being briefed against, and they were pretty naive as to how that would be received and endlessly spun.

And the world and his wife have not only had the opportunity to comment and reply but have done so endlessly without drawing breath, often for profit, and it’s reached ridiculous levels now, disproportionate to anything they have done.

It’s got to the point where people are openly wishing their marriage breaks up or that Harry never reconciles with his father; matters that should surely be decided by the participants themselves and no one else?

The relentlessness of the vitriol is quite mind boggling imho!

And yes,I’m going to say it again, it’s an unavoidable but uncomfortable fact that Prince Andrew who is an alleged sex abuser, alleged exploiter of vulnerable women , allegedly financially corrupt and who allegedly committed illegal transactions while acting as trade envoy to our country for over a decades and potentially put it’s security in danger by socialising with a Chinese spy; does not attract the same volume of comment , and all is pretty quiet on the Andrew Lownie front after an initial flurry. There’s maybe one or two threads about that and the Epstein papers?

But not many people are asking how much the Queen knew? Surely that’s more important than how Meghan treated her dog and whether Harry is moving back to the UK or not?

There was a thread on Mumsnet today titled,
The socially acceptable hatred towards Greta Thunberg et al
another target of Camilla’s pal Jeremy Clarkson funnily enough!

And just as the op argued in that thread that it’s become socially acceptable to criticise her autism, her voice, her clothes, her very being; the very same thing is happening to Harry. There is a really distasteful, almost gleeful tone in these threads which is getting out of hand imho.

Obviously many of you feel it’s deserved, but when does it stop? On this thread alone he has been called a twat, deluded, mentally ill, dumb, a druggie and thick as pig shit etc etc? When are you all going to be satisfied? When his marriage fails and he is totally isolated from family and friends presumably?

The RF often use NDA’s and threats of litigation to silence others so I am not sure why H&M again are exclusively criticised for that tbh.

But H&M - it’s pure entertainment - which brings me deep satisfaction when I pop on to these threads to see what nonsense they themselves have done and said each week

Exactly, it is all of their own doing.

All that privilege, all those choices and yet this is the path they chose.

Obviously many of you feel it’s deserved, but when does it stop? On this thread alone he has been called a twat, deluded, mentally ill, dumb, a druggie and thick as pig shit etc etc? When are you all going to be satisfied? When his marriage fails and he is totally isolated from family and friends presumably?

Are you really combing through this forum and taking notes on comments about an exiled prince who wouldn't cross the road for you?

People can comment on whatever they like, and not comment on what they don't like. If it's not to your tastes, other fora are available.

I'm not going to address any of your stale talking points because they are extremely repetitive and dull.

Why posters are more interested in mocking Harry than asking how much the Queen knew about Andrew’s alleged criminal financial activity when Lownie said she had all the proof brought to her, remains a very pertinent question and I am standing by it.

It’s not a derailment; it’s the most important question about the RF at the moment!

But we see you and know your MO

Oh dear 🙄. Is it really necessary to use this rather silly and overly dramatic language? Is that meant to be a threat? You know nothing about me or my motivations for posting.

And who are “we”? Care to explain?

Are you really combing through this forum and taking notes on comments about an exiled prince who wouldn't cross the road for you?

What? I am simply reading the thread like everyone else.

Are you really combing through this forum and taking notes on comments about an exiled prince who wouldn't cross the road for you?

What? I am simply reading the thread like everyone else.

@Gingersky1234 if you are so keen for posters to discuss Andrew and “ what the Queen knew” , why not start a thread about it - this thread is about Harry .

No you aren't. You're trying to police the discussion in favour of a dim prince.

But as I said, your arguments are years out of date and everyone is bored with them now.

Excellent! Then you’ve just proved my point!

Out there in the great wide world, Harry and Megan are not actually that important in the general scheme of things …

And yet some posters on this forum are obsessed with criticising them endlessly while failing to ask the very real questions about whether there was a cover up of alleged criminal activity at the very heart of the monarchy.

I wonder why that is?

If it bothers you that much why don’t you start a new thread about Andrew. I think you’ll find no one will be arguing against your opinion of him. Also where is your proof that Harry and Megan were briefed against or are you believing what two proven liars are claiming (again with no proof)

I also find extremely humorous when a fan of theirs claims that anyone who who criticises them
must be obsessed whilst totally ignoring those who adore them to an obsessive degree.

No, I don't think I have.

You tried to use the piddling number of 782 posts on a MN thread in the RF section of MN to show how many "shits" people give about H&M:

You are honestly telling me that people don’t give a shit about H&M when there are over 782 posts on this thread alone

That was your point.

Not that

Out there in the great wide world, Harry and Megan are not actually that important in the general scheme of things …

This board is obsessed with H&M!
you said. Nothing about how unimportant they are.
Please don't twist my words to back up your belatedly altered argument.

I was just coming on to say the same! Imagine spending hours of your time writing lengthy posts arguing with and insulting posters and we are the ones obsessed 😂 cognitive dissonance in action.