Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

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I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

Oh, and were genuinely shocked if I swore!

I should have been clearer, when I said set up i meant her involvement not the projects themselves.

I thought putting her name to the Grenfell book was just right as a member of the RF, I agree , - got publicity for a good cause. The donating good quality clothes for women going to interviews was around long before her ( I had a tangential part in that charity ) and I think she did It but a bit more would have been good. I do think they could have done a great deal but decided not to. In some ways I think a pity. But you can't make anyone into someone they don't want to be.

ETA cross posted re the Clothes charity

I do feel sorry for H&M only having Doria as family that they speak to now.
I'm not close to my cousins but do have a daughter, grandchild, sibling and nieces , I love our family get togethers .
I hope H&M have got close friends that they can spend time with.

She really does struggle with follow through, and the time it takes to do things properly. Everything seems rushed and half thought out.

Totally this.

I don't get it. I understand people not being fans/feeling irritated by them but honest to god, Ted Bundy gets better PR.

I don't think I could write this much vitriol about anyone, even my narc parents who really did me some personal harm.

But isn’t that what new members of the RF do? I remember seeing her seeming very engaged and involved with both projects, and I remember being impressed by the way she interacted with people.

I don’t think you know what vitriol means.

Where are you seeing it on this thread? Do you mean ‘criticism’?

That is a beautiful analysis - for me you captured perfectly why two terminally dull people are so compelling. 💐

I think this has been a pretty balanced thread tbh. There is probably more criticism than praise but apart from one post, haven't seen any vitriol .

From the beginning, I was not impressed with M as she seemed to be a basic D list actress who was incapable of learning.

M's reference point for her engagement photos should have been the successful wife of a Spare updated for the next generation, i.e. modeling herself on Sophie Rhys-Jones. Instead, M went straight Sarah Ferguson OTT with her $75,000 Ralph and Russo ballgown.

Wrong direction. And the rest is history.

I was responding to the wording implying she set up these projects. I remember her giving a death stare to her mother at the Grenfell launch.

Why?

In truth Harry didn't set up Invictus - I think it came out of the Royal Foundation and it was given to Harry because it seemed suitable for him. So I don't mind if H&M didn't set up everything they were associated with - I do wish they had stuck with things though. The more that comes out the more I (sadly) believe M came over looking for a rich husband and thought she'd landed the prize in Harry. Which let's face it in many ways she absolutely did. I reckon she is living her best life and I will say she networks like merry hell - which I just couldn't do. So I hope she lands on a money spinner so that she can stop the "before / during / after " thing and just get on with being Meghan. The Duchess persona is I reckon long gone, or it really should be if she had any nous. But maybe not.

I do think she has energy and is constantly looking for things which will make the money she wants. & I hope she does it. I do wonder though if Harry is living his best life - maybe he is and good if he is but as some other poster said - tell his face 😂 So I'm critical of her but much more about the casting dubious aspersions on the RF / untruths on Netflix / widely seen channels. That I think was egregious and harmful . Flogging sprinkles and tea - not so much.

Her making rose wine - Don't care. Make your money and just stop clinging on to the RF. It makes you look vaguely ridiculous ( my opinion only) Meghan is famous enough to go just by that and drop the Duchess of Sussex thing. After her claims to have been silenced ( not that I believe them ) kept without her passport etc in Nott Cott ( don't believe it ) she is now famous enough & I actually think if she just listened a bit , clever and strong enough to earn some Montecito money.

Right - that's me from my little terraced house not being a US HNW person 😂- so opinion of no value whatsoever. Ach well.

Why read about it then?

I was a bit slow to realise this was going on and felt very clever once I did - not realising I was way behind all of the other regulars on the RF board and there was no need to have told them 🤣

How patronising. Did you feel superior writing that?

I was responding to the post I quoted which talked about 'countless threads ripping them apart'. I have seen numerous threads of that type and was agreeing with the PP.

If you don't find some of the criticism of H&M as vitriolic then we clearly have different values.

I think there was a big difference between how Harry and William processed their trauma about their mother dying.

William was older, he had more one on one time with his grandparents on a regular basis because of his future role and he found the stability and warmth of the Middleton family while still a teenager and through his early 20s which I think meant he turned less to over using drugs and drink as escapism.

But he himself has said that one of the biggest things which led him to get some serious therapy was doing the air ambulance job. He was seeing families in horrible traumatic situations on a daily basis.

It’s quite psychologically interesting to me that someone with trauma based around losing a parent in a terrible traffic accident takes on a job where a big percentage of the work is flying patients to hospital from terrible accidents.

Subconsciously ‘saving his mother’ over and over again?

He said in an interview a few years ago that after one particularly bad incident on shift which I think involved a child with very bad injuries and witnessing the helplessness of the parents that something inside suddenly cracked open - I can’t remember his exact words - it might have been it felt like someone had turned a key inside him and all these emotions came out. And that’s when he knew he had to reach out for help processing it all.

www.bacp.co.uk/news/news-from-bacp/2018/21-november-prince-william-taken-over-the-edge-while-air-ambulance-pilot/#:~:text=Prince%20William%20described%20how%20he,spoke%20to%20people%20about%20it.%E2%80%9D

@Screamingabdabzabsolute Gold.😂 Is that what is called in them there Hollywood circles a story board? Mindy whatshername’s face 🧐

I think this is a good answer.

From my observation, those that support H&M have experience in being “othered” and probably find the “rebelliousness” of H&M admirable. Standing up to a massive institution - your theory of David and Goliath. They also bring out a part of UK history and Britishness that we love to ignore - the way discrimination plays out is silent and hard to identify . And whilst they are both in very very privileged positions, they have spoken out for and tapped into a feeling that only a minority of people might feel - and so I would say that could be why they have fans.

I also believe that not everyone is in love with the royal family, however majority always wins, right? And the loudest voices always come across. So those that maybe arnt too fond of the royal family usually sit quietly, but this scandal has given them a story that they latch onto.

I have nothing against H&M - because I’ve never sat down with them and I don’t know them. I don’t follow their story because I find that they whinge a lot - but I don’t dislike them. I also feel indifferent towards the royal family, but I feel that way about anyone I have not met and can’t draw a true opinion of. She’s an actress, so for all we know, she could be playing a massive character - but what I don’t understand is why those that hate her so much talk about her like they spent a month camping with her or knew her from school. The venom in those that hate her is so extreme, I really believe H&M bring out our feelings towards “otherness” - whatever that might be.

We love the status quo - they are not that, and I think to many, they have almost betrayed the country. But for a small minority they recognise themselves in their story.

This is observation as in my circle I come across many pro H&M - I only see the hate online and in certain (majority) spaces.

I thought it was cheap and nasty with the ref to getting knocked up being in particular poor taste.

One thing I find fascinating is the selective recall of the pro-H&M fandom.

H&M literally wrote a Megxit manifesto wanting to "collaborate with the Queen" and unilaterally declaring themselves as Half-In, Half-Out.

The revisionist narrative of fleeing the oppressive monarchy is just not true.

Agree with this, I don't even like them but find the countless threads about them, particularly her obsessively deranged. Proper psychotic.

You said you were "impressed" when "she did the Grenfell cookery book". She didn't do it, other women did. The same with Smartworks..She was doing what royals do, but on a limited amd short term basis. I didn't think it was "impressive". I think Sophie engaging with violence against women, Camilla and DV, amd Anne's 50+ year commitment to Save the Children are far more impressive. Actual work and commitment has gone on there.