Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

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I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

I did have similar feelings about William and Kate but I thought this thread was about Meghan and Harry fans?

How could they think H+M were unfairly done out of their part in the monarchy when they chose to leave?

When it seems so many people dislike or hate you, then yeah they are the underdogs.

Maybe you don't quite understand the saying? It's a very old one, usually used in sport but apt in this case, I feel.

Many people dislike, even hate them.
Underdog is the correct word...

This thread has served to prove that anti M & H people, are following and watching them religiously and faithfully.

You've given yourselves away.

Harry was one of the most popular royals until a few years ago, but basing the status of 'underdog' on the single factor of how many random strangers 'hate' you - and not on wealth, status and privilege - seems bizarre to me.

By any normal standard, Harry is the opposite of 'underdog'.

What would you class him as then?
In one word and be nice, please.

I don’t think I can say this any more clearly. These people are not, in the main, thinking clearly! Or even thinking at all.

You must be a huge fan of Prince Andrew then? He’s even more of an underdog than Meghan and Harry, by your definition.

"Be nice" is cringily passive aggressive.

If you insist on one word, then I'd say Harry is a Prince. With all the immense unearned privilege, status and wealth which that implies.

Who thinks that?
I don't, it's common knowledge they chose to leave.

I apologise for the use of the word “dull”-although I didn’t call you dull! I just cannot imagine what it must be like not to speculate about why people vote Labour, or were so grief stricken by the death of Diana, or why individuals and groups do anything. My posts were simply versions of “Maybe this is why people like M&H”….
And actually, you were quite personal. Several times.

Ok, Prince is good...

And I've earned the right to be cringily passive aggressive.
Bet I've been on this planet more years than yourself

That's sexual issues. Different kettle of fish altogether...

Yes I appreciate you think that H+M fans are not the brightest, but surely anyone can see the difference between choosing not to do something and being prevented from doing it. Unless you think members of the Sussex fandom are actually cognitively impaired? Or do they not know H+M chose to leave? I am not in that group, maybe they think H+M were banished? 🤔

I’m not really disagreeing with you, I just can’t see how even the stupidest fan could think they are being denied their part in the monarchy when their own statement and then the book they collaborated with described what happened.

I assume many people think they had no choice?

Thanks for the chat.

Carry on closely watching Harry and Meghan..

But underdog status is just about popularity with the public, right? Nothing to do with why someone might be unpopular.

Or as you put it: “When it seems so many people dislike or hate you, then yeah they are the underdogs.”

Maybe you don't quite understand the saying?

I've seen some say that they were 'forced out', apparently because the other royals just couldn't handle the Sussex stardom and were eaten up with jealousy.

But I don’t really understand how they come to that conclusion - the book was called ‘Finding Freedom’ wasn’t it? Not ‘Getting Chucked Out Against Our Wishes’. The 2020 statement they themselves issued says “we have chosen”, “we intend”, “we now plan”, “we feel prepared to make this adjustment”, “after many months of reflection”. Very clearly their decision.

I assume they think that H&M felt they had no choice but to leave. So not banished d but put in an impossible position.

(I’ve just gone down an entertaining rabbit hole
trying to decide which coat you mean. I’ve decided it’s a red hi-viz thing she wore in Melton Mowbray…..)

So...have I got this right...just being hated makes you an underdog?

So the old brigade (Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ceaucescu, Putin) are underdogs?

That's a new take on history!

An underdog surely has to be someone who hasn't done harm to others?

No. I was not. We'll leave it at that. I have no idea if you find astronomy, maths and economics or literature "dull", because I wouldn't care to suggest you are so ill informed or unimaginative or not well read However. You've apologised for the word dull, so it's best we move on.

There was a hilarious typo a while back on here - someone typed the title as 'Funding Freedom'.

I think Dr Freud would understand!

Ok I get it - what’s the coat ref?

Incompetent. A few years ago, there were rumors that Meghan would run for president. I remember arguing that Harry would not be able to handle being First Gentleman. He'd probably slug the White House Press Corp.