Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

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I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

The reason the British government would step in for Harry and Meghan is a simple one, they could not be trusted to act accordingly as Head of State. Affairs, divorce, drinking, telling personal tales on each other by all royals can be brushed over, the one non negotiable is behaving non political to the worst types of world leaders. The government couldn't use the palace to host Trump if Harry and Meghan were King and Queen. There are and have been numerous leaders and dignitaries that the palace have had to grin and bear.

The thread asked for speculation about the motivation of the fans. I am speculating. What do you think?

I love reading about Meghan. In my opinion she is a narcissist and has zero self reflection. She’s fascinating and reminds me of an ex who also had poor boundary recognition, devaluing others causing a mess and then playing the victim. In many ways she’s a very interesting person to observe. They’ll be more to come as well, we all know that and as the saying goes “what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive”. Popcorn always here to see what she’s trying to hoodwink folk with next.

We all knew this was the deal this was the women we were getting from the engagement interview, well some thought a breath of fresh air but if your marry into a institution you’ve got to understand this isn’t Mills and Boon and they’re expectations made of you. She studied International Relations she wasn’t stupid just arrogant. Harry is vulnerable and stupid. If he wasn’t a Prince would be in a remedial class and certainly wouldn’t have got into Eton or Sandhurst.

I think that it's impossible for you, or anyone else, to speculate on behalf of fans. Unless you are one. I can only talk for myself, the same as otters on here. Some H&M fans arrived, but didn't give reasons, just criticised others' posts, so we're not any clearer.

Ah, I have no sense of fun. Good on you. Pixie, with your sense of fun and no need for an explanation.

Harry is vulnerable and stupid. If he wasn’t a Prince would be in a remedial class and certainly wouldn’t have got into Eton or Sandhurst

I think that’s an awful thing to say. Remedial class, is that even a term used anymore?

You don’t think it’s possible to speculate on the motives of other people? Blimey. History, politics, psychology among other things must be very dull for you! And why did you come on a thread which literally invited such speculation then?

What was the actual question?

I'm just so bemused at the amount of knowledge some of you have. I take back that you know nothing about them.

The weird thing is you all know so much, you look like the real fans!

My reason for liking them is as follows:(and I'm nothing to do with the Sussex squad, btw)

I'm a British pensioner, lived here all my life. Born after the war but have been through an awful lot, together with DH.
My age and experiences have made me resilient, strong but also more understanding.

Loved Diana and the boys.
Felt really happy when Harry found "the one"
Disappointed for HIM when people started turning against his wife.
I agree there are some faults with Meghan but I don't believe she deserves the amount of critical scrutiny she receives.
There are far worse famous people, even in England.

I do believe Harry has had a breakdown. He has had EMDR, sounded a bit unstable (in my opinion) in his book Spare and we all know what they both went through with their mother.

I've had EMDR treatment and it's very tough, affects you for months afterwards and has changed my behaviour and way of thinking.

Harry often looks so rough and worried nowadays and I get annoyed that people blame this on his marriage!
How would ANY husband look if his wife was a constant figure of harsh scrutiny and ridicule.
How do people expect him to look?
How would you look?

I also think they're both very strong to just carry on. To me, that's a sign of a strong couple.

I love that they hide their kids faces. I would do the same.

I agree that Meghan sometimes starts projects that are a bit of a flop but that doesn't make her a bad person.
I agree that her fashion taste is sometimes a bit naff but again, doesn't make her a bad person.
If she did feel suicidal, she deserves empathy surely?

I'm not blind to their faults. But we all have faults.
I feel they are a good couple, a bit irritating at times but I admire them.
I enjoy looking at her fashion (when she gets it right)

As for Meghan cutting off her family.
This can happen after therapy. We don't know just how toxic the relationships were or who was at fault?

And as for cutting off Pierce Morgan...good move!

I admire the couple and wish them and their children all the best.

Sorry, my post was in reply to @Weepixie

Please do not make this personal, or suggest what I may or may not find "dull".
You missed my point. I speculate myself (qv).
I do not speculate on behalf of others

Was this to goad us into posting? 😁

I don’t understand your point here. Surely by definition, speculation is about other people? And I have to say, asking me not to make it “personal” is a bit rich!🤣

I think I may not have taken your original reply the way you intended it to be read and for that I apologise.

Im still of the opinion though that one day we’ll definitely see it said by one of the squaddies - yeah, they hate them so much that one of them even said she’d chain herself to the railings of BP if Harry and Meghan become King and Queen.

So much of what you see is regurgitated bosh by people who have little idea or knowledge.

No. It's not "a bit rich" (sic) because I have never been personal to you, or suggested some sort of personality defect. Making wild assumptions about what I must find "dull"? No.
I've joined in this thread because I find the subject interesting. I don't speak on behalf of anyone other than myself. I cannot guess what makes fans, fans.

Answer my question though.

If you can...

Thanks for your response.

If I understand you correctly, your admiration for 'the couple' is mostly down to the public criticism you believe they received? And their response to that? Because you've not really mentioned any admirable qualities other than being 'strong' in their reaction to tabloid headlines from years ago?

Without wanting to rehash all the 'media treatment' for the millionth time, getting negative press is hardly unique to Meghan or Harry. What does seem to be unique is that they have earned an entire devoted fandom on that account.

The Empire discussion is interesting and could do with it's own thread. Where i would like to add a discussion about why only the UK is seen as an evil Empire when in fact lots of European countries behaved extremely badly. It seems oppression and arrogance are hard wired into being an Empire from the very start of history right up to the present day (see the current colonial powers US and China).

Not just European countries either….!

Are we living in the same universe?

Did you not watch The Interview, and subsequently notice all the retractions and wriggling? Did you observe or consider the effect those allegations had on their victims? And the desperate sucking up to the Queen (because they thought she'd be around for longer)?

Did you not read the spiteful stuff in Spare, and wonder how it must feel to be one of Harry's victims, royal or otherwise?

Did you watch the doc and see the utter fakeness of it all, and cringe at Harry's expression as Meghan mocked his whole heritage?

Have you not heard of the bullying accusations against Meghan from at least 3 sources? BP currently sitting on a huge pile of them.

Have you not watched the Invictus films where Meghan makes it all about herself, and exploits veterans and their families for her own PR?

And the rest.

Whatever planet you are on, I clearly a happy, dippy, ditsy one!

What do you think about all the lies Meghan has told ?
Her family may well be toxic yet she gushed about her father right up until the wedding . 5 years is a long time to hold on to a grudge against an elderly man who made a mistake .
They are now estranged from both families .
As for the children ,well they have in fact revealed their faces and are actively using them to promote Meghan’s business .

'Harry often looks so rough and worried nowadays and I get annoyed that people blame this on his marriage!
How would ANY husband look if his wife was a constant figure of harsh scrutiny and ridicule.
How do people expect him to look?
How would you look?'

But he's not the only one, is he?

Do you have similar feelings for William and Kate? They have been subject to the vilest abuse on SM by Harry and Meghan’s fans, and the press and mainstream media were fairly awful in the run up to Kate's video confirming her medical diagnosis. William had to deal with the death of his mother, and the serious illness of his wife - I can only imagine his thoughts when he thought about his own young children conceivably having to deal with the loss of their mother.

No, I admired them from the get go.
Became very disappointed when people started turning against them which then became worse.

Maybe I'm just the type of person who loves the underdog.
You know that saying, everyone loves an underdog?
Well, obviously not everyone but some of us do.

HRH Prince Harry Duke of Sussex, 5th in line to the British throne, 3rd gentleman in the realm, multimillionaire through unearned wealth is an 'underdog'?

Really?

Serenster · Today 10:01

The Empire discussion is interesting and could do with it's own thread. Where i would like to add a discussion about why only the UK is seen as an evil Empire when in fact lots of European countries behaved extremely badly. It seems oppression and arrogance are hard wired into being an Empire from the very start of history right up to the present day (see the current colonial powers US and China).
Not just European countries either….!

Exactly. Either look at the whole picture, or don't even start.

But this is the problem - I think a lot of anti-British feeling comes from people who have little historical knowledge, and just pick odd slogans and anecdotes up form dodgy sources who have a very anti-British agenda. What about the French empire and the awful withdrawal process from Algeria - horrendous! What about the Belgian atrocities in the Congo? What about the Ottoman Empire and the massacre of Armenian Christians (which the Turks refuse to even address). If we're doing Whataboutery, there's lot to What About!

Slavery is a massive subject and has been part of the human experience from the start. And the African continent was very much a participant in it, and its eiltes benefited from it. It's still going on today in many places.

It's a huge subject and one for another thread.

This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've read on MN! And I've read some crazy ones.

"Underdog".

Don't you know that one of the classic poses of the malignant narcissist is that of the victim? While bullying like mad all over the place?