Harry RAVEC decision appeal

[smilesy]

I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

@IdaGlossop I think you are absolutely right, which makes it all the more annoying that she continues to trade on her links to the RF and the UK.

I remember that thread it was inspired by Liam Neeson having a particular set of skills in the film Taken.

I agree with you what a complete waste of time and money this all is.

I think you're spot on, @BasiliskStare .
Harry can talk all the nonsense he likes, but this is a very serious waste of time, energy and money. We're paying for his bitterness.

She's good at cutting people off, as we know. Is there a single example of her backtracking?

Meghan is I think, due to having married a son of the King of Great Britain and making herself so globally famous as a result, in the lucky position that there would be almost no-one that would fall into the category of a “regretted loss” from her perspective. No matter how high-achieving that person may themselves end up, as Meghan’s status and fame will now eclipse all but a very few.

William and Kate are the only possible people I can think of that might end up with a higher profile and status, but I cannot see that bridge being rebuilt.

I thought he had been invited to the Duke of Westminster’s wedding? Then as William was going, and was an usher, it was discreetly hinted or somehow conveyed that his presence would be problematic. TBH I imagine he probably didn’t want to go after all when he realised how unwelcome his presence would be and some sort of feeble excuse was cobbled together. They didn’t mention security at the time though iirc. There was obviously lots of security at the wedding due to presence of William and other high profile people. I honestly think the family thought about it and realised how Harry’s presence would really spoil the day - no one daring to talk to him beyond basic niceties, some people avoiding him, especially William obv, they’d probably have to sit him on a table at the back with a bunch of deaf elderly relatives. I think it was conveyed that it might be better if he didn’t accept.
Anyway security obviously wasn’t the reason. Just more obfuscation from Harry.

In all honesty, when they are all over the news it's because they've instigated it with their photographers and wasn't that Invictus debacle all about Meghan because they've instigated only allowed their own film crew in? It's them who splatter themselves over the place. If they (which I suspect would just be Harry) come for anything formal, funerals, weddings etc then as long as the Firm keep it to BBC or whatever to report then the clown show won't be happening.
Frankly the whole maelstrom around the pair of them is orchestrated by themselves, however they just look idiotic as everyone knows and everyone can see their nonsense

I just don't see how a multimillionaire British Prince, permanently domiciled abroad, can think that causing unjustifiable expense to the UK taxpayer will result in anything other than bad publicity, even if he wins (I think unlikely)

He of course won't see it as unjustifiable, but it is. All so he can get the security he sees as some sort of birthright status, even though adequate protection is still available.

He’s a tedious little git, has absolutely no idea how he looks to the majority of people and cares even less.

No matter how high-achieving that person may themselves end up, as Meghan’s status and fame will now eclipse all but a very few.

I don't agree. Being married to the son of the king carries very little status in California. It's a curiosity, but when she doesn't actually take part in royal life or offer the chance of any royal connection, it means very little.

I also disagree that she's massively famous too. Her NF show got about 2 million views and her Instagram followers are in the low millions too. She's nowhere near A list status and is actually quite low on the pecking order in the environment she's chosen to live in. Whereas if she'd stayed in Britain,s he would now be 3rd lady in the realm.

Do we know when the court will make its decision?

No. We know only that it will be written and at some unspecified point in the future.

I’m still at a loss as to what Harry thinks he is going to gain from all this anyway. He wants his security “status” back, but what for? If he came back to the UK, it would presumably be to visit family so he would perfectly safe in their households. If he gives 10 days notice, he can have security anyway in all probability. Is he planning on going to tourist areas with his wife and children? Unlikely. So what does he need this security for 🤷‍♀️

I'm pretty sure that the current arrangement is that he has to give 28, rather than 10, days notice.

@smilesy I think his original motivation was to be treated more like he used to be
security wise, but now it wouldn’t surprise me if he also wants to spend a lot more time in the UK. I don’t think that the California dream has worked out as well as he thought it would (so far anyway).

anything of interest happened today?

I hope so too. This has cost taxpayers £500k. I’m fucking furious when disabled people are being given a one way at rich to poverty because apparently the country try is so poor

Harry isn't looking to gain anything consciously. I believe this whole mess is because he is acting emotionally, not logically. He believes his wife and children are under threat if they come here. People can argue that they are probably more at risk in Colombia, or in a country where everyone has guns. They could show him the risk assessments and explain why decisions have been made over security the way they have. It won't make a difference.

Harry is stuck as a 12 great old who lost his mother, who thinks the press are to blame and who believes his wife and children are also threatened. I suspect that even if he was given the security he wants he would still think they are under threat here. This is about his trauma not risk or security provision.

I don't think this is anything to do with what Meghan wants, it's all about him.

But if i had to guess, I would guess that Meghan isn't keeping the children away as a deliberate act. She doesn't seem to have much family that she values and has no experience of the sort of family life Harry had growing up. I would bet that she doesn't really see the point of coming here when her entire life is in the US. It isn't strategy it's simply that extended family life isn't something she sees the point of and with Harry insisting they can't come here she just lets him have his way.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14587259/Prince-Harry-arrives-High-Court-day-two-showdown-taxpayer-funded-security-royal-claimed-singled-inferior-treatment-Megxit.html

Sounds like a Sussex squad member!!!! Was this a planned performance 😛

I haven't RTFT but this case has cost us, the taxpayer, £500k so far! WTAF? This is public money, how DARE Harry, who doesn't live her, expect us to pay to defend this. The police and security services in the UK aren't for hire, quite rightly. I'm really pissed off about this!

When the hearing broke so the public and press could leave, before a ‘secret’ session involving security details could begin, Langdown and the other bodyguard ensured that as the Duke was led out of the room at the Royal Courts of Justice, they were between him and the woman.
As he passed her, within touching distance, the woman suddenly shouted out, indistinctly, what appeared to be ‘I support you Prince Harry’.
As the Duke was hurried out, the woman turned to the press gallery and said: ‘If you’re members of the press, you’re the reason he’s not in England.’

Sussex Squad….he brings this on himself 😂

On the subject of letting Harry know he’s not welcome at certain occasions (like the DoW wedding probably) it seems he’s been told to stay away from the funeral of his favourite bodyguard.

"It has been communicated to Prince Harry that his presence at the send-off for Graham Craker may detract from the solemnity of the occasion.”

This is how it will go from here on. He’s not going to have many opportunities to use whatever security he wrangles.

https://radaronline.com/p/prince-harry-barred-diana-bodyguard-funeral-royal-feud/

What I would say is in the early days of moving to the US and the widely reported Netflix etc deals and the global fame Meghan suddenly had I suspect a lot of people were worried about her "clout" with the entertainment etc industry insiders , proper A list celebs and were reluctant to speak up against her for fear of their jobs / reputation etc. That I think was owing to her perceived status. I think that clout is disappearing. And yes Harry as inside the RF is a different proposition to him as a "celebrity" at arm's length to the RF. I think her and his fame is different to their status. But though I know little of influencers etc on SM - and in the grand scheme of things her influencer type numbers of followers seem to be relatively modest - using influence in its wider sense her and his influence is less. So I think they have fame indusputably , but status is different . I have probably explained that very badly.

Europe is littered with titled people. I used to have a pilates class with an Austrian princess - she never used the title. A friend of DS's was once wooed by a chap who claimed he could make her an Italian Countess - she wasn't interested. At current course and speed H&M' s titles will fade into Ruritanian obscurity. (IMHO - other opinions available as I have said before. )

How strange. That headline has nothing to do with the article that follows it 🤷‍♀️

The court is reconvening at 3.15pm, after the in camera session. Based on what's happened so far, my summary is:

• the appellant's case : we've picked through every piece of documentation we can lay our hands on and combed through it to find every possible redefinition or interpretation that shows he was disadvantaged by Ravec adopting a bespoke process and not using a process used for everyone else

• the Government's case : the collective experience of those considering the appellant's situation was equal to that of those considering the cases of other royals and VIPs and was used to make a decision based on the appellant's unique circumstances and which passes legal tests

Conclusion: even if the judge rules he was disadvantaged and Ravec has to reconsider his case, in all probability they will decide on the same level of protection as he currently has. Own goal, Haz!

Eta. Ah I’ve got it now. It was extremely hyperbolic though 😂😂