Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

I think Meghan just doesn't want him bringing the children to Britain at all, and 'security' is a convenient excuse. That's just a theory of mine, so obviously I can't 'prove' it, but in logical terms Harry's 'case' makes no sense at all.

As we've discussed previously, neither of them had any problem leaving their children on another continent while they do fake 'royal tours' so I don't think either of them is all that concerned about 'security'.

This 'case' is a farce and I really do hope today is the last we'll hear of it, and that Harry gets handed a hefty bill for all the expense he's caused the taxpayer because of his extended hissy fit.

Harry is still bitter about being ‘Spare’ - he hasn’t moved on from when he and William both had security as the children of the heir to the throne. As people have said above, if he took even the slightest interest in very recent history he would recognise security for Charles, Andrew, Anne and Edward changed as they got older and were no longer young children in the Queen’s household. He still sees himself as number 3-and a reluctant 3 who should have equal treatment with his brother. He wants all the trappings and none of the responsibility.
On the sad occasion of KCIII’s demise I can’t see William et al wanting Harry’s children in the country causing massive publicity as they’ve never before been seen, and detracting from the mourning and the respect for Charles.

I recall there was rumours of a conversation and Harry was told 'best of you don't come ' type of conversation which he turned into I don't want it to be a spectacle about me ... maybe I'm just remembering it as I want to though

Yes, I think you're right.

Harry is appealing this decision. He still thinks it was unlawful and irrational. The decision to reverse the High Court decision would be surprising I think.

Of course he did. Whisked through the VIP lounge, into the limousine and off to see Charles. Repeat procedure to return. He knows full well that circumstances dictate security protection. Or if he doesn't, he's more of an eejit than I thought.

It wouldn’t be reversed, it would be sent back to RAVEC to look again and they are unlikely to change their position. What does it say about a Harry that the most he has been in the UK has to do with his lawsuits. His nephews and niece don’t know him. He may not have actually been invited to this wedding as lots of friends cut with him. He isn’t friends with Eugenie anymore. None of his cousins children probably recognise him. He has lost pretty much everything and I can’t see what it is being replaced with. Invictus will be next I warrant.

Further to my point above about a wish to know what the judges are thinking of Harry - I'd love to know what Shaheed Fatima KC thinks. I think she is doing a great job in the circs. I don't think he can complain about how his team are representing him. The sheer size of the file she has is some indication of what this must be costing.

I wonder if KC will ever see his dgc again. It’s very cruel to keep them away from him.

We don’t really know what Charles prognosis is. It is highly likely that he will die with cancer and not from it. However we can only assume that his treatment is a maintenance dose. Could have the best of health for years. Anytime soon seems a no.

Yes I agree with that.

@Serenster - Thank you for your link to the Govt website about Supreme Court appeals. My son who has been called to the bar but has changed jobs since then when I asked him about appeals to the Supreme Court did say words to the effect of "or a substantive point of law" He hasn't been following this case.

But anecdotally , re following the law and what a barrister might think - he once had to deal with a case (it was minor or he wouldn't have been the one speaking ) - a claimant had put forward a case that he should be paid costs for something ( no idea what , DS is most strict on not discussing things which aren't in the public domain. ) Now , DS had to give precedent and law . What he said he wanted to say to the judge is "I submit to you that the claimant is a chancer" . He didn't . 😂

Is there a way William could prevent the Sussexes attending?

I suspect gloves will come off though once William is king. I wouldn’t forgive Harry for what he’s said and done if I was William.

Considering how Harry sat bitching to Jack Brooksbank about his "treatment" during the Coronation, I would think he's most unwelcome. After all the vile things he's said and done and he still thinks he should have been greeted like the Prodigal Son and given a seat at the altar?

I should imagine that’s exactly what he thinks considering he thought his family owed him an apology for some reason! Delusional. He can’t see it’s his own behaviour at all. He thinks the RF, the U.K. owe him.

Nice. Posh. Floppy haired. Jack. What on earth was he saying to him? In fairness, both Princesses husbands seem made to order. Appropriately posh and discreet.

That makes perfect sense, Serenster, and maybe my idea about the temptation to filibuster wasn't entirely mistaken

Either way I suppose if his brief's gone on and on it'll at least persuade Harry he's getting value - unless things fail to go his way of course, in which case it'll be everyone else who's wrong

Given what's happening with Sentebale, Invictus should be putting their house in order before the Charity Commission starts asking questions. The parallel with Senteble of H&M using Invictus for their PR is clear.

I agree Meghan doesn't want him bringing the children to the UK. I have a bit of a theory too. She's wiped her mind of the UK and the Royal family, making them irrelevant, and that extends to her children. She's good at cutting people off, as we know. Is there a single example of her backtracking?

Yes, I think Britain and the royals are mostly irrelevant to Meghan now, except for the titles obviously!

But they aren't irrelevant to Harry. I think Meghan doesn't want him around his family or old friends, especially with the children. Not that there seems much danger of that, as it seems most of the family are avoiding him.

Does Harry really think that if RAVEC say 'OK you win. You are right and you are going to have Head of State level security on standby' that Meghan will 'allow' him to take the children to Britain? Of course we know it's highly unlikely RAVEC will change their decision, but even if they did, Meghan would find another reason. This is not and never has been about 'security'.

On the sad occasion of KCIII’s demise I can’t see William et al wanting Harry’s children in the country causing massive publicity

If so then that would be another parallel with Edward and Wallis, @RobinStrike
They too were kept well away, not least because the deeply fragile George didn't want a more "glittery" couple pulling attention from his new reign, or - god forbid - setting up some sort of rival court

I think in fairness a lot of the avoiding is to do with their own mental health. Peter, Zara and Beatrice seemed to have zero interest in Harry since Megjan appeared. And just staying out of it. Eugenie did stick by him. However, she's best friends with Zara ans seemingly also close to William. There would have only been one winner in the long run.

@IcedPurple This 'case' is a farce and I really do hope today is the last we'll hear of it, and that Harry gets handed a hefty bill for all the expense he's caused the taxpayer because of his extended hissy fit.

As do I.

There was a funny thread years ago about "what would your father do if you were kidnapped?" There were posters whose father (or indeed mother) were eg members of the armed forces and would have weighed in. I do remember one poster said "my father might be moved to write a sternly worded letter to the Telegraph" - It tickled me. But I am hoping (not without some expectation) that Harry will lose this case. And if he does not and the tax payers bear the cost I might actually arse myself to send a sternly worded letter - don't know to whom. I'm awaiting the judgment. But in my world I would like to see his claim put aside and a rebuke from the judge. Not because I "hate" Harry - I just think he is wasting valuable court time and not appreciating eg the Met have other priorities , of which he will be one with more consideration than I would give him , but not my decision. We shall see.

I don't know them, but I'm glad they're discreet. I don't think selling privacy and gossip is good career move.

..... and making British people pay.
Literally.